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Old 13-08-2008, 04:10 PM
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What breed is your new puppy? You sound like a good puppy dad!
He's a Tan Cocker Spaniel, he's lovely. Were very happy with him.
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Re: Water spray

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Hi,

You didn't make it clear what it is that you are trying to stop your puppy from doing, but in relation to inappropriate chewing, the following in a excerpt from Gwen Bailey's book 'The Perfect Puppy'

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Dogs do not learn rules, they simply learn the consequences of their actions. Instead, correction should appear to come from the object itself. If this happens he will learn that it is unwise to put his teeth on that object, and will be unlikely to chew it again even when left alone.

To do this, keep a small water pistol to hand, or a plant sprayer adjusted to let out a jet of water rather than a spray. Just as he begins to chew something he should not, aim a short jet of water just behind his ear. The intention is to startle him, not to hurt him in any way. His reaction should be one of surprise and he should then wander away from this object to find something else to do. Hide the water pistol from view, look away and, if he looks round at you, pretend you had nothing to do with it.

The correction will be most effective if it happens just as he is about to chew on the object for the first time. If it occurs after he has been chewing for five minutes it will be too late because he will already have been rewarded by his behaviour. If you are too late, distract him by rushing out of the room calling excitedly, encouraging him to follow.

Praise him when he comes to you and then watch him carefully because he will probably go back to his new hobby, giving you a chance to correct him before it begins.

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I use this method, and I also recommend this method to clients, it works a dream. But you do have to make sure that your puppy does not see you with the water pistol (I bought a child small water pistol which fitted in my hand completely). It is very important that your puppy associates the feeling of the water behind his ear with the chewing or whatever.[/I]

What I also do, is once a puppy has been surprised and wandered away from the object he should not be chewing, I wait a short while and then introduce an appropriate safe chew toy, and give lots of praise.

I would point out that I only start with this method once a puppy is 3 months plus, under no circumstances do I employ or recommend that clients employ this method until a puppy is 3 months.

This makes sense. I actually feel more comfortable about this than shouting at him.
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Old 13-08-2008, 04:29 PM
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Don't think you have offended anyone, just a case of having to have 'broad shoulders' some of us are quite curt with our replies, it is not that anyone is trying to be nasty, just sometimes some of us don't think when replying, we just tend to babble on and say it as it sounds.
If you pup is jumping up your daughter it is also a case of training your 2 year old, telling her not to run and squel, even when playing as pups tend to think it;s a game, the water willl I doubt be having any effect whatsoever in stopping this anyway. sure you have done wonders already and will continue to do so. Just keep asking questions - take it on the chin if you don't like the replies, but come back tomorrow and ask more, there'll be no bad feeling, just good sound advise!
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Thanks sue, Cydney (my daugher) is very good, we have tried to spend as much time around people with Dogs, it think it is very important for kids, she understands as much as a two year old can. To be fair on both of them, there only doing what their naturally supposed to do, it just me trying to train both of them to not do what naturally comes to them.

I dont mind people's replies I was just expecting people to tell me there experience rather than opinions. But hey Im up for anything, that's why I have a dog.
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Re: Water spray

Although tiring, I just treated Max like a toddler! When he tried to eat the plants,steal my shoes,chew the chairs etc, (Remote Controls were his favourite)I just said a firm NO and removed him from the object and give him one of his toys instead to play with. I have never moved objects away from him just keep removing him and eventually he just got the message, if I said NO he just left it alone. Have to be a bit patient though!!
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I have to say though I did read this in the RSPCA training manual and I sure they wouldn't advise something if it was harmful to a dog's personality in any way.
The RSCPA, hmmmm, now why doesn't that surprise me! Too busy giving crap advice to be any real help.
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The RSCPA, hmmmm, now why doesn't that surprise me! Too busy giving crap advice to be any real help.
What do you mean?
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Re: Water spray

I have seen the damage a water spray can do to a pup as well as an adult dog, it does damage the bond, it also stops a pup from bonding to the owner and I have seen an adult dog go for the owner when he used a water spray and done considerable damage to his face.

I am not interested in what others write about, they are going on their experiences, I am going on mine.

Many people who ask advice on these forums have never had a dog before, they don't know about body language or timing, but are expected to know them to train their dogs.

There are other ways to train your dog or your puppy.
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I have seen the damage a water spray can do to a pup as well as an adult dog, it does damage the bond, it also stops a pup from bonding to the owner and I have seen an adult dog go for the owner when he used a water spray and done considerable damage to his face.

I am not interested in what others write about, they are going on their experiences, I am going on mine.

Many people who ask advice on these forums have never had a dog before, they don't know about body language or timing, but are expected to know them to train their dogs.

There are other ways to train your dog or your puppy.
I agree entirely. Some 'trainers' get away with some methods due to their experience. Someone less experienced may run into a whole lot of FAR worse problems using the same methods.
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Re: Water spray

All i'm concerned about is about my daughter, unfortunatly he goes for all of us and i've tried no in most occations as this is easer and you can do right on time, unlike anything else, i tried holding him around his mussle once (as suggested earlier) he turned very nasy growling and biting more, I wont be doing this again as I don't feel Im trainined very well in this method and felt he was worse after. I'm holding out on the spray at this moment.

Can someone explain to me how they acctually learn NO??? (and when).

Im not ashamed to admit I dont know how to train a dog, we all started somewhere once!

He goes for fingers and toes, how do you deal with this??????
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Re: Water spray

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All i'm concerned about is about my daughter, unfortunatly he goes for all of us and i've tried no in most occations as this is easer and you can do right on time, unlike anything else, i tried holding him around his mussle once (as suggested earlier) he turned very nasy growling and biting more, I wont be doing this again as I don't feel Im trainined very well in this method and felt he was worse after. I'm holding out on the spray at this moment.

Can someone explain to me how they acctually learn NO??? (and when).

Im not ashamed to admit I dont know how to train a dog, we all started somewhere once!

He goes for fingers and toes, how do you deal with this??????

Have you read the article I linked?

Your puppy is no 'going for' you, although I appreciate the play can seem aggessive at times, but it is merely play. Very normal, healthy and desirable in my opinion, as it gives the opportunity to teach bite inhibition, which is very important.

The problem with saying 'no' or taking action like holding the muzzle closed (something I would never advocate or do) is that it can make th epuppy more excited, or even frighten the puppy, which may lead to a more serious bite.

If you follow the advic ein the article i linked, it WILL work, but you need otbe consistent, us only that one method and give it a little time. You should start to notice a difference quite quickly though, and it is quite fun for all the family to decide who can do the best 'yelp'.
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