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13-08-2008, 08:44 AM
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Re: Water spray
I have never myself owned a dog before, (I was brought up with a dog that was absolutely brilliant). I saw this method in the RSPCA training book and assumed that this was a well thought of method. (Clearly I was wrong), I brought Bailey home last Friday, he has done amazingly, I treat him when he has been good and in the last 24 hours has almost learned to poo and wee in the garden. He loves his crate and for someone who hasn't owned or even trained a dog before though I'd done quite well (and with a bad back).
I wouldn't strike a dog and DO believe in giving praise, as I have done. My main reason for asking is that I have a two year old daughter and don't want him biting her now or in the future, I do understand that this will take time and am being patient with him (even when he had pooed on my lovely new carpet) This I don’t even mind, but I do want to get the biting thing dealt with ASAP. I play with Bailey in the garden with the water hoes and he loves it, I assumed that a water spray would just distract him from this behaviour not use it as discipline, I have used my spray on my daughter and she thinks it's hilarious so it obviously doesn't hurt, which was not my point in the first place. He quite enjoys it really.... I’m sorry if I offended anyone, but I’m really not being cruel to him, and wouldn't. I don’t smack or even shout at him for doing wrong. 
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13-08-2008, 08:48 AM
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13-08-2008, 09:10 AM
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 What breed is your new puppy? You sound like a good puppy dad!
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13-08-2008, 09:13 AM
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There is an article here that explains puppy biting and how to deal with it, and will help, but you do have to follow it 110% consistently.
The Bite Stops Here As your daughter is unlikely to be ale to follow the advice given at her age, I would only let the puppy near her under very strict supervision. The problem with children and puppies is that the puppy does somethign we don't liek them doing, be that jumping up, or biting, and the child naturally behaves in a way that is exciting for the puppy, usually screaming and waving their hands about, so the puppy continues or the behaviour escalates. Work on giving your puppy a good recall in the house, so that if puppy does get over-excited with your daughter and she can't deal with it herself, you can simply call puppy over to you.
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13-08-2008, 12:20 PM
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You are also teaching your pup to be frightened of you, is that what you really want? Would you use a water spray on a toddler when they didn't do as you ask? It is the same thing, like the toddler, a puppy has to be taught what we want of them. Clicker training really is good for both owner and pup, it also strengthen the bond between you unlike using a water spray, that destroys the bond and make the pup frightened.
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13-08-2008, 01:14 PM
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Don't think you have offended anyone, just a case of having to have 'broad shoulders' some of us are quite curt with our replies, it is not that anyone is trying to be nasty, just sometimes some of us don't think when replying, we just tend to babble on and say it as it sounds. If you pup is jumping up your daughter it is also a case of training your 2 year old, telling her not to run and squel, even when playing as pups tend to think it;s a game, the water willl I doubt be having any effect whatsoever in stopping this anyway. sure you have done wonders already and will continue to do so. Just keep asking questions - take it on the chin if you don't like the replies, but come back tomorrow and ask more, there'll be no bad feeling, just good sound advise! regards sue
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13-08-2008, 03:07 PM
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Im sorry but I have to disagree with you. I would never recomend a water spray. It causes fear and it is a punishment, no matter how you describe it. Why rule your dog through fear when there are other ways of altering behaviours. Its completely unnecessary. Particually if you then use spays for other things (such as plants, even air freshners or polish etc) as the noise can then scare your dog when it is infact doing nothing wrong. This could then lead to confussion and in some circumstances aggression. In my opinion it is not worth the risk.
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13-08-2008, 03:35 PM
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I didnt mean to imply you may use aerosols as punishment, I just meant some have a similar noise and this may scare them if the spray has been used to either punish and/or deter them.
Spays do scare dogs, maybe not of the owners but with behaviour in question. Using the chewing as an example, the dog chews the object and gets sprayed behind the ears. Doest hurt but its not pleasent, this keeps happening and the dog then learns that chewing said object results in a wet ear the dog may then fear the object or decide the object is evil and needs killing, resulting in more chewing. If you make a mistake and the dog sees you spaying the water at it, it could turn out to be you its chewing. Not exactly pleasent as far as im concerned. That is why I would never recomend it, there are risks involved. Dogs of a nervous disposition anyway will become more fearfull and those that are either scared or angry may become aggressive. I just dont think its worth attempting. Particually when there are other methods that are much friendlier.
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13-08-2008, 03:53 PM
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Thank you all for your comments, I always find different ideas very helpful. I have to say that I dont find my spray harmful, its like shouting no, its just a way of breaking a behaviour, its was bought empty and doesn't contain any harmful substainses, it is silent not making one bit of noise and won't relate it to anything.
I have to say though I did read this in the RSPCA training manual and I sure they wouldn't advise something if it was harmful to a dog's personality in any way. I will try other methods first, but do see this as a viable option and not harmful. If anyone has used it and has found it harmful or useful Im really up for your comments. I do have a broad shoulder as a police officer I think I naturally have that but I do have a heart and wouldn't do anything to my pup that I really felt was un-called for. Thanks again
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but she stopped that using this method. I did try positive training methods but all that taught her is that if shes doing something wrong, and i say no, she has all the time in the world to do what she wishes and above all, she can do what she wants AND get a treat after it.
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