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Old 24-01-2014, 05:12 PM
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Shaking can

I've been told shaking a can with loads of coins in it is a good way of training stopping your dog doing something bad. We've been doing it when our puppy sctratches doors, chews carpet etc it works really well. But is it a bit cruel??
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Old 24-01-2014, 05:31 PM
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Re: Shaking can

Depends on the dog imo. My current one would likely think it was a new toy and be all excited over it, my last one would have gone into hiding under the bed for several days.

It's not the best method of dealing with the problems you're having though and there can be massive repercussions from it such as the dog becoming sound sensitive and fearful. Nor does it teach him what you do want him to do. If he's chewing the carpet then redirect him to something appropriate to chew and reward that. If he's scratching the door then get him to do something more appropriate and reward that. Pre-empt him where possible, if you think he's about to chew something he shouldn't distract him with something he can chew. You're far, far better off teaching a dog what you do want than simply punishing the behaviours you don't want and leaving them guessing at what is right.
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I've been told shaking a can with loads of coins in it is a good way of training stopping your dog doing something bad. We've been doing it when our puppy sctratches doors, chews carpet etc it works really well. But is it a bit cruel??
just using it as a noise distraction? no, can't call that cruel myself. now if you were using a shock collar... that's a different story!
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just using it as a noise distraction? no, can't call that cruel myself. now if you were using a shock collar... that's a different story!
There are dogs out there who imo it would certainly be cruelty to use a rattle bottle with.
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There are dogs out there who imo it would certainly be cruelty to use a rattle bottle with.
i'd meant in general- the average dog will stop what they are doing when they hear an odd noise rather than tremble in a corner... as she mentioned a pup i figured id comment on the Average dog. a dog that reacts negatively to a shake bottle will probably cower from a raised voice or clapping of hands.
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Re: Shaking can

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I've been told shaking a can with loads of coins in it is a good way of training stopping your dog doing something bad. We've been doing it when our puppy sctratches doors, chews carpet etc it works really well. But is it a bit cruel??
Depends on the dog.

It is the dog that determines (to a large degree) what is cruel or not.

Have you read Don't Shoot the Dog by Karen Pryor?


You are punishing the dog for doing something inappropiate, but your punishment is not effective if you have to keep on doing it.

So, what will you do when it ceases to work, when you have desensitised the dog to this mode of punishment.

Get something lounder?

Shout?

Smack?

What is it that you would rather the dog do?

Has the dog got a variety of chew toys?

Do you give her meals in objects which make them enriching events?

Stuff a kong, fill a wobbler, hide the food, scatter in grass etc etc

As Jean Donaldson says (in her EXCELLENT book The Culture Clash) it is all chew toys to them.
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Depends on the dog.

It is the dog that determines (to a large degree) what is cruel or not.

Have you read Don't Shoot the Dog by Karen Pryor?


You are punishing the dog for doing something inappropiate, but your punishment is not effective if you have to keep on doing it.

So, what will you do when it ceases to work, when you have desensitised the dog to this mode of punishment.

Get something lounder?

Shout?

Smack?

What is it that you would rather the dog do?

Has the dog got a variety of chew toys?

Do you give her meals in objects which make them enriching events?

Stuff a kong, fill a wobbler, hide the food, scatter in grass etc etc

As Jean Donaldson says (in her EXCELLENT book The Culture Clash) it is all chew toys to them.
fantastic read- the classes i used for popp as a pup, the trainer handed out extracts from it to new members (leading to almost all of us then racing out to buy the rest!!)
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I've been told shaking a can with loads of coins in it is a good way of training stopping your dog doing something bad. We've been doing it when our puppy sctratches doors, chews carpet etc it works really well. But is it a bit cruel??
It may appear to stop them and be solving your immediate problem, but it can actually do longer term damage.

The reason the puppy/dog stops is the sudden sharp shock of the noise. So basically its a response to something unpleasant basically a fear or anxiety response.

Puppies go through several fear periods anyway, where they can start to react to sights sounds and situations naturally in the environment some they may have not even reacted to before, negative experiences can have a lasting impact especially if they are going through this period at the time.
Using such things as rattle bottles and cans with stones, pennies etc, can actually make some noise phobic and reactive with fear to certain sounds eventually.
Especially if you have a pup or dog that's not got the most confident outlook on life anyway, and is a more stressy or unconfident pup to start off with.
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Re: Shaking can

Thanks for the help.

It seems to work pretty well. Just don't really be wanting to do it every day for weeks!!
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Thanks for the help.

It seems to work pretty well. Just don't really be wanting to do it every day for weeks!!
If you're having to keep doing it then I'd say it's not really working pretty well at all
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