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Old 11-01-2012, 07:17 PM
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Getting his nose off the ground

I have been taking my 17 month old spaniel/terrier cross to obedience training for over a year now and in general he is doing well. However, I have always had problems keeping his attention and focus and it has recently got much worse. All he is interested in is sniffing the ground which means our heelwork has totally gone to pieces and his (already short) attention span has dwindled to non-existant! It doesn't matter what treats I have in my hand (liver, chicken, cheese, sausage - treats he usually loves and only ever gets in training classes). Even using other people's treats only works for a short time.

Any suggestions on how I can work on this? If I can get his nose off the ground he can work really nicely but he is just being a total brat atm.

My instructor wants me to bring a ball to our next class as he is tennis ball obsessed so I have been using this a bit this week and have got some really nice sit and down-stays but as soon as I try moving he either stays where he is or dances round me waiting for the ball to be thrown or his nose goes back to the ground...

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Old 11-01-2012, 07:25 PM
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Re: Getting his nose off the ground

Is he maybe doing it as a sort of displacement activity as he is stressed, bored or doesn't quite understand what you are asking of him? I only say that as I have noticed that Kilo becomes utterly absorbed by the floor if he is feeling stressed or (I think) when he isn't sure what it is I am asking him to do.

I am definitely not very knowledgeable though and may have read Kilo wrongly - but to me it is a displacement kind of behaviour.
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Is he maybe doing it as a sort of displacement activity as he is stressed, bored or doesn't quite understand what you are asking of him? I only say that as I have noticed that Kilo becomes utterly absorbed by the floor if he is feeling stressed or (I think) when he isn't sure what it is I am asking him to do.

I am definitely not very knowledgeable though and may have read Kilo wrongly - but to me it is a displacement kind of behaviour.
I am not knowledgeable either, but I am reading a book called Control Unleashed which mentions this as a sign of stress too.

It's a good book too - I'd recommend it - I am reading it in the hope of being better at focusing my dog at agility and training classes (amongst other things).

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I am not knowledgeable either, but I am reading a book called Control Unleashed which mentions this as a sign of stress too.

It's a good book too - I'd recommend it - I am reading it in the hope of being better at focusing my dog at agility and training classes (amongst other things).

Naomi
I have that book and do really like it; just not experienced enough to want to say that this is what is happening (if you understand where I am coming from!).
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Re: Getting his nose off the ground

I'm not sure it's stress though it could be. He does know what I am asking of him as he knows the heel command and can work very nicely (and does at home where there are not so many distractions). He has never been perfect at training but lately he has gotten worse and worse - I think he just gets bored and the field we use for training has interesting smells and the spaniel sniffing instinct takes over.
He is a dog that tends to get slightly obsessive over things though - especially sniffing and also playing so I have to be careful not to throw a ball for too long, for instance, or he just gets silly.
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Re: Getting his nose off the ground

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My Lab constantly sniffs the ground as there are many treats to be found by careless people dropping their litter and other items. The path I regularly walk on first thing and last thing at night is the main path to the shopping centre and high school. The dog has found on numerous occasions sweets and other food, probably stuff he shouldn't be eating. Probably the cause of his behavioural problems like over excitement, hyper and generally been naughty.

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I'm not sure it's stress though it could be. He does know what I am asking of him as he knows the heel command and can work very nicely (and does at home where there are not so many distractions). He has never been perfect at training but lately he has gotten worse and worse - I think he just gets bored and the field we use for training has interesting smells and the spaniel sniffing instinct takes over.
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He is a dog that tends to get slightly obsessive over things though - especially sniffing and also playing so I have to be careful not to throw a ball for too long, for instance, or he just gets silly.


I hate to throw a spanner in the works but he obviously doesn't know the heel command well enough or that's what he would do when asked, regardless of distractions.
I'm not being unkind, just truthful.
He probably is bored which means the heelwork is not sufficiently motivated or proofed.
If he likes tennis balls try this:
Make a slit in an old tennis ball and insert a really tasty smelly treat. Call your dog to heel and when he's sitting besides you, say something like "what's this" and put the tennis ball just above his nose slit side down and when he raises his nose to sniff, squeeze the tit-bit out so that it drops into his mouth and at the same time click or use a clicker word "yes". You can then throw the tennis ball for him. Repeat and repeat until he's really keen to sit besides you in the heel position. Once you've achieved this try taking a few paces forward before you squeeze the tit-bit out and throw the ball.
Then build the heelwork up slowly from there.
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Re: Getting his nose off the ground

I would second "Control Unleashed" and also read up on conditioned reinforcers. Basically getting the dog to want what YOU want him to want

If you want him to work for food, you're going to have to make the food conditioned reinforcer so that the desire to gain the food outweighs the desire to see what that tempting smell is. If you've seen any protections sports, the bite sleeve is a great example of a conditioned reinforcer - the dog wants that sleeve more than anything.

You say your guy is a bit obsessive? This actually makes conditioning a reward easier You could even make the sniffing a reward. Two good steps of attentive heel "yaaaaay!!!" you get to go sniff. Personally I think rewards that require interacting with the human are more effective, but just using an example of how you could turn the sniffing in to a tool to get what you want out of the dog.

I would not work on any more heeling until you have a reliable attention, you're basically allowing the dog to practice heeling a way you do NOT want which will just make correct heeling harder for you in the long run.

This is a video I put together for another spaniel owner to teach a default attention. It might be helpful to you too
Eye contact and attention - YouTube
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Re: Getting his nose off the ground

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I hate to throw a spanner in the works but he obviously doesn't know the heel command well enough or that's what he would do when asked, regardless of distractions.
I'm not being unkind, just truthful.
He probably is bored which means the heelwork is not sufficiently motivated or proofed.
No, you're absolutely right. I didn't phrase it very well but I meant that I don't think the sniffing is due to stress - more that I struggle to motivate him.

I think the tennis ball is the key as this seems to motivate him more than anything. I have tried the food in the ball but he is so fixated on the ball that he will not eat any treats if he knows I have a ball. I am not overly fussed about him working for food - I don't care what his reward is as long as I can get him to focus enough to earn it!

Will look into the 'Control unleashed' book and will speak to my instructor at the weekend as it may be best for us to drop down into a lower class for a while until this is sorted out.
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This is a video I put together for another spaniel owner to teach a default attention. It might be helpful to you too
Eye contact and attention - YouTube
Thanks, this is really helpful. Will definitely do more work on the eye contact (which is great up to the point where we start moving).
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