Yey Thats what I mean so really these show people are just Show Breeders

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Yes I have friends who step in, but it was just why the need for the Professional handlers constantly with some people

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Its all about the winning - the face of the handler sometimes is all thats needed - sometimes maybe the prof handler is highly respected in dogs and the person feels honoured that a prof handler wants to handle their dog. How about a prof handler has a new breed or a breed that needs an extra boost so to speak and the prof handler will get that breed noticed for them.
There are so many ways to look at this - I have nothing against people using them but for me it takes out the fun element - we all love to win - anyone who says any different is fibbing

I am fibbing I was even told last year at an Open show to smile Pup won 5 rossettes that day and Best Puppy in Show. I do not take showing seriously, its a hobby to me and my dogs are pets first and foremost. Thats why I am iffy re people who do not see there show dogs all year, suppose then it could be classed as a business really

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A lot of the people in the States that employ pro handlers are just 'pet' people who want the prestige from having a 'show' dog without the 'hassle' of the show scene, they are wealthy people who can then 'brag' about the winning of the dog without the constant bathing and grooming that goes on in America over there they even take hairspray in the ring with them!!!

The top winning poodle over there had 1 pro handler and 2 groomers working on him constantly he was brought down to the ring looking wonderful they would then work on him again outside the ring and in between the judging of the class - I would hate to think how many cans of hairspray they would have gone through but there was never a hair out of place. Saying that I dont think the judge could have ever got their hands into the coat either the everyday show scene over there is a real eye opener.

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Wow Tashi I did not know it was as severe as that over there.

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Let us say it is 'extremely' competitive but then it is their livelyhoods they not only get paid to handle the dog but if they win they get paid more!!!

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True, but I still do not see what if any enjoyment the Breeder gets from not working/ training and grooming their own dogs. Its like Big Kennels here, IMO they do not spend any time with their dogs, just put a lead on 5mins before entering a ring. Most people think they are good etc to their dogs but how can they be really

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Agreed.

Wats the point in owning a beautifull show dog if u cant enjoy them????

i know if i was into showing i would want ta enjoy my dogs..the winning the lot

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Mum i see you didnt put the pic of you up on here
why not??

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