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Old 29-08-2011, 10:15 PM
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OK - haven't read the whole thread - so my apologies if the question has been answered - but a few things for you to take on board.

Any wins in puppy do not exclude you from other classes such as maiden, novice, tyro and debutante

However, if you take 1st in Junior or above - whether it be at Open or Championship show level
  • One win will exclude you from Maiden
  • three wins exclude you from Novice
  • Five wins exclude you from Tyro
  • A first at a CH show at anything above Puppy will exclude you from Debutante

When checking your eligibility for classes - always check the 'qualification' date on the schedule - increasingly as entries go online and those closing dates shorten, this has the capacity to get more complicated.

For example - the postal closing date for a show is 10th August - the qualification date for the show will be 3rd August - so if you won a Junior class on the 4th August - your dog would still be eligible for Maiden.

Online closing dates can often be a week or even two after the postal closing date - but at the present time, it's 7 days before the postal closing date dictates eligibility.

The above is very generic overview of eligibility structure - your breed may not typically have Maiden and Novice classes at CH shows (they do appear occasionally at Open shows - but not that often).

Once you get past the age related classes (i.e. puppy. junior, yearling) - then class eligibility tends to be all around Championship show wins - Undergraduate is 3 wins, or a CC, Graduate and Post Graduate are 4 wins or a CC, and Limit is 7 wins in Limit or 2 CCs and must not be a champion - again eligibility dates come into play, and it is not uncommon, particularly over the summer, to see dogs still in Limit after they've been made up to a SH CH / CH.

Any wins regardless of class at Limit shows do not affect your eligibility for any class at Open or Championship Level - Limit shows are an excellent starting ground for young dogs and inexperienced handlers - as are Companion shows - both are also great fun and whilst you may get some pet dogs entered, the quality of entries in both is pretty much on a par with Open and Championship shows


Don't be put off by the "members only" limited show - with most general shows - you can usually just sign up and pay for membership with your entry. Breed club limited shows (where they exist) will be slightly different, as usually, to join a breed club, you will need a proposer and seconder and processing can take a little while as it has to go to committee.

If you win Best of Breed or Best Puppy in Breed, you are entitled to withdraw from any AV classes - but you cannot (contrary to what some believe) withdraw from any breed classes if you win your class - if you don't go into the other classes, then you cannot challenge for BP or BOB if you withdraw as you will be classed as a beaten dog.

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As someone else said - I would give classes such as Open a wide berth - because your dog will be immature - as you continue to show you will get to know your breed better and what show entries are like - and also how your dog competes against others.

With my first show girl, I had a tendency to put her into Graduate and sometimes Open - and she started consistently winning Graduate classes - doing us out of being able to compete in Maiden and Novice at CH shows - I've managed to do the same with my youngest boy through winning Junior classes hey ho!!!!

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Best of luck with the showing - do let us know how you get on.
Thank you very much for your tips, there are only 3 classes for bassets available in this show, junior, open and PG. Ive been advised against the latter two with a 7 month old show virgin .....Theres a lot of learning involved with showing isnt there
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One win will exclude you from Maiden
three wins exclude you from Novice
Five wins exclude you from Tyro
A first at a CH show at anything above Puppy will exclude you from Debutante

what does Tyro & Debutante mean not commonly used amongst bassets


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One win will exclude you from Maiden
three wins exclude you from Novice
Five wins exclude you from Tyro
A first at a CH show at anything above Puppy will exclude you from Debutante

what does Tyro & Debutante mean not commonly used amongst bassets


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I did say in my post (I think) that this is very generic - we don't have Tyro and Debutante at many shows - but there are one or two.

Tyro is quite simply for dogs who have had no more than 5 first places at Open and Championship level outside puppy (so the next step up from Novice really)

Debutante is a Champ show class and is for dogs that have not had a first at a CH show (puppy / special puppy classes excluded)

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Thank you very much for your tips, there are only 3 classes for bassets available in this show, junior, open and PG. Ive been advised against the latter two with a 7 month old show virgin .....Theres a lot of learning involved with showing isnt there
Yes, but if you are going to show on a regular basis and do Champ shows, you have to think ahead

If there is not a puppy class for your breed, you are not obligated to enter the breed classes and can go straight to the AV puppy class - in Labs at Open show level, there are many who won't put their pups in any other classes but puppy.
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Re: questions about the different classes in shows

Swarthy sorry to be a pain but could you tell me what are stakes classes?? Is it just for A.V everything to compete so separate from the A.V hound for expample??
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Swarthy sorry to be a pain but could you tell me what are stakes classes?? Is it just for A.V everything to compete so separate from the A.V hound for expample??
Simple answer is Stakes classes, if you are placed you win money, lol!! Now dont get too excited - its generally just a few quid
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Simple answer is Stakes classes, if you are placed you win money, lol!! Now dont get too excited - its generally just a few quid
Oooooo I noticed they were giving out lottery tickets as prizes in one
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Oooooo I noticed they were giving out lottery tickets as prizes in one
Hey! That a good idea - might nick that one, lol!!
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Swarthy sorry to be a pain but could you tell me what are stakes classes?? Is it just for A.V everything to compete so separate from the A.V hound for expample??
Stakes classes are an odd one - as Ceearott says - they are about competing for money - sometimes they can be stakes for any dog, other times, they may be in groups - it's not uncommon to be competing against show champions in the open stakes classes - something to remember

I say they are odd because of when they take place - some societies do them before BIS / BPIS - so if your dog is in the running for either and you get beaten, then you are out of the BIS / BPIS competition.

Conversely, some societies do them after the BIS judging - why they are different I have no idea - my OH and I stewarded for the Stakes classes at a local show last year - and they were done after BIS - the one thing to remember if you don't have far to travel is that quite often - stakes entries can be 10/20/30 dogs - but being at the end of the day - you may get just a quarter of the dogs entered present and sometimes less - if people have travelled a long way a show - then they won't necessarily want to wait until the end.

Earlier this year we had BPIB at a Gundog show - the judge for the stakes classes was the same as for BIS / BPIS - so we decided to take our chances in the stakes classes - if the judge didn't like him in the stakes, he wouldn't stand a chance in BPIS - if she liked him and placed him first, then we may have been onto a winner as it happens - she placed him third - and my other boy came third in the Open Stakes - so we left the show with £16 and a good hour earlier than we would have done had we stayed for BPIS
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Re: questions about the different classes in shows

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