phew - i was almost right then by saying collie

whatwill it take for them to be recognised by the KC ?? (something im not clued up on completely...)

I'm not really sure - they are registered with the UKC and ESC in America. I don't want the KC to recognise them here because they will then be bred for looks only, not working ability. Right now they are mostly bred by farmers in the USA, and only the best and healthiest workers are bred from. Thats why they are such a hardy breed.

ahh they imported from the states??

i like the mini aussie shepherd from the states(i think only 1 breeder in the UK of those too )

lovely dogs but steering away from collies with the next one

Yes, I imported mine from the states.May I ask why you're steering away from collies? ES's are nothing like BC's........

I have a ESSx Collie and a full border collie and had another BC before this one too....

just want a smaller dog for agility and a GSD lol!

but knowing me i will end up going back to collies