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Old 21-11-2009, 03:01 PM
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I feed Mika on raw meat. Dante doesn't like it raw - he turns his nose up at it - think its the smell - silly boy - lol so in the microwave for him it goes to be cooked for 1 minute lol

So yeah nothing wrong with giving a dog raw meat IMO. How else do you suppose wild animals survived?
im just asking for the reasons as to why you think cooking the meat is worse than not cooking it?
I suppose cavemen ate raw meat too, but i dont fancy any for my dinner tonight
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Old 21-11-2009, 03:10 PM
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im just asking for the reasons as to why you think cooking the meat is worse than not cooking it?
I suppose cavemen ate raw meat too, but i dont fancy any for my dinner tonight
their are humans today who survive on raw foods including meet. but they have to build up and imunity to it over time so their gut gets used to it.

when you cook food you distort the natural protiens in it, so its better for them to eat it in its natural form un cooked.
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Old 21-11-2009, 03:16 PM
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their are humans today who survive on raw foods including meet. but they have to build up and imunity to it over time so their gut gets used to it.

when you cook food you distort the natural protiens in it, so its better for them to eat it in its natural form un cooked.
ah ok thank you!

I cant find any scientific proof of this, but lots of people seem to find a benefit in it
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Old 21-11-2009, 03:20 PM
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dogs and humans are actually omnivores, both are designed to scavenge and eat whatever they can find.
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im just asking for the reasons as to why you think cooking the meat is worse than not cooking it?
I suppose cavemen ate raw meat too, but i dont fancy any for my dinner tonight
The differences are many. Dogs are carnivores, not omnivores. Only pet food companies, and some vets (who are trained by the pet food companies at vet school!) will tell you otherwise. The entire scientific community, and anyone with even basic knowledge of anatomy and physiology, will tell you that dogs are clearly carnivores.

As such they are designed to eat and digest raw skin, meat, bone and offal. Not cooked meat, not grains, not fruit, veg, herbs, nuts or seeds. It's that simple.

Cooking foods alters the amino acids and fats quite significantly. Think of a hamburger. It starts out as a nice red/pink mass with white marbled fat. Once you cook it the texture and colour change dramatically, and the once 'pure' white fat is now oily GREASE. Big difference.

That's all very well if you're an omnivore, though still debatable as scientists today will happily attribute a majority of human health complaints and diseases to a cooked diet, especially a processed one. For a carnivore, it's disastrous!

Kendal, although you feed raw and therefore clearly know the benefits (i.e. I'm not 'telling you off' lol), I just wanted to point out that dogs are scavengers only in the sense they will happily consume a carcass if they find it - as opposed to only eating what they kill. Wild dogs and wolves do NOT eat grain, fruits or vegetables in any real quantity. They might pick on the odd fruit as they pass it once a year, but they certainly don't go scavenging in fruit orchards and wheat fields in preference to a kill.

Physiologically and energetically, making a hunt and kill is incredibly demanding, in terms of calorific cost as well as having a potential for harm (injury or death at the hands of big prey). Do people honestly think they would hunt such dangerous animals, at such risk, if they were also adapted and designed to munch helpless berries and grains?

Domestic dogs are nothing more than visually (NOT internally) altered Grey Wolves. This is conclusively proven scientifically (I've posted the paper up a few times here now), and the fact remains that Grey Wolves, and dogs, are carnivores with no adaptation for cooked foods or grains and vegetable matter. In fact all prevailing evidence is that feeding a carnivore such as a dog (or cat, or ferret) on cooked foods, especially those containing grains and vegetable matter, is a recipe for disease, pain and early death.
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Old 21-11-2009, 03:22 PM
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ah ok thank you!

I cant find any scientific proof of this, but lots of people seem to find a benefit in it
The book "Raw Meaty Bones: Promote Health" is a thesis of around 400 pages of 100% peer reviewed, heavily scientifically referenced evidence about exactly this.

Don't forget that unlike humans, dogs have a stomach acid pH of around 1. That's INCREDIBLY acidic. Things like meat-borne bacteria that could give you or I a nasty dose of sickness are insignificant and inconsequential to a dog.
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Old 21-11-2009, 03:24 PM
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its not for everyone and not every dog likes it, but i have seen inprovments in dogs on it.

fat dog slim down
slom dogs go up to a healthy waight
dogs with sckin condidtions have a marked improvment, i know someone whos mums dog is on steroids for her skin they put ther on raw for 6 weeks and within 4 he stopped itching and his coate cleared up, but they are clean freeks and stoped it as they didnt like the blood and the bones. so he is back on the steroids poor boy.
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dogs are scovongers so they need to be able to digest just about any kind of edable food,hense why they are omnivores.
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Old 21-11-2009, 03:28 PM
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but they are clean freeks and stoped it as they didnt like the blood and the bones. so he is back on the steroids poor boy.


I know saying such things won't make me very popular, but it's my view that if you want to keep a carnivore you either feed it properly and keep it healthy, or you don't keep it at all. Why on earth would you feed a food that is clearly SO inappropriate for your pet that it requires drugs (which any vet will tell you further damages the health) to even get through a day without unbearable itching, burning and so on? It's not that hard to feed a raw meaty bone in a crate or outside where they can't make any mess. Hell you can even feed them FROZEN (zero mess!) if you need to. :\
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Old 21-11-2009, 03:30 PM
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dogs are scovongers so they need to be able to digest just about any kind of edable food,hense why they are omnivores.
No, dogs have carnassial teeth (only carnivores have these), no molars for grinding, their jaws can't move side-to-side like an omnivores (hence no grain or veggie eating) and they have a relatively short foregut and a short, smooth, unsacculated colon with an undeveloped caecum. Vegetable matter doesn't even stay in there long enough to BE digested, hence offers zero nutritional benefit. Why do you think veggies and fruits have to be mashed up, blended and/or cooked to be of any benefit at all? Who cooks and blends the wild dogs' and wolves' veggies for them, since they can't digest it without?

Your statement clearly falls apart under a a little pressure, as it's at total odds with the physiology, anatomy and dentition of the animal you're allocating those abilities to.
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I know saying such things won't make me very popular, but it's my view that if you want to keep a carnivore you either feed it properly and keep it healthy, or you don't keep it at all. Why on earth would you feed a food that is clearly SO inappropriate for your pet that it requires drugs (which any vet will tell you further damages the health) to even get through a day without unbearable itching, burning and so on? It's not that hard to feed a raw meaty bone in a crate or outside where they can't make any mess. Hell you can even feed them FROZEN (zero mess!) if you need to. :\


i know, its my frinds OH pairents they are just not listening they are an older couple so i think they are stuck in their ways, also i think the vets werent to keen on the dog being fed on raw, so that might have been what put them off it.


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