I dont disagree that dogs can and do eat veg - hell the pair of mine eat it regularly - I wasnt tearing you down Jamie I was disagreeing that dogs are Omnivores - IN MY OPINION - which I am entitled to - I think dogs are Carnivores. Why do people so easily take the hump - this is a forum and its world wide - what makes people think we will always agree If you post a statement like that then of course it will be challenged. There's no need to take the hump and remove your sig picture and do a flounce. THAT is the beauty of the internet - have your say and if thats what you think - AMEN to it - it doesnt mean I have to think it too

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Pickked up loads of info today on JWB and also Luath's and Robbies, I am trying the Robbie's holistic cuisine looks really good and is supposed to be good for
itchy or dry skin/dull dry coat/shedding excessively/waxy ears/runny eyes/tooth tartar/bad breath/chewing feet/anal gland issues/hyperactive/lacking energy.

for those interested look here

Natural dog food from Land of Holistic Pets

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Don't forget that 'Hypoallergenic' dog food is only hypoallergenic if it doesn't contain whatever your dog is intolerant too. Chicken is one of the biggest culprits, is beef, so maybe try a food without those to start with and see how you go?

James Wellbeloved is one of the better completes, and they do a grain/cereal free one now, but if you can afford it, and want to feed complete, Orijen is the best you can buy, in my opinion.

Robbie's is brown rice and lamb or brown rice and chicken and is classed as holistic

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I was trying to avoid the whole Robbies thing really.

I don't really get what they mean when they class it as 'holistic'. They just mean 'natural' really, it's not organic or anything.

I can't find any percentages of ingredients ont heir site, am I looking int he worng place? Also, rice is listed as the first ingredient, which means it contains more rice than meat, which isn't good, IMHO. Sorry.

Why were you trying to avoid it? Have you tried it?

I used it on a real fussy feeder last year and he ate and put weight on, and as for having more rice that meat that is not such a bad thing with some dogs I am trying it this time on the tibetan terriers who I have trouble giving some foods too because meat protein content, but I will be feeding it with an open mind and holistic is enabling the body to work in a normal healthy manner.

I actually spoke to the man himself on the stand today and he has done a lot of research before producing this food. So I wont knock it until I try it.

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I haven't tried it no. I was trying to avoid getting into a debate about processed foods.

I don't see how it can be 'holistic' if the main ingredient is rice. Dogs digestive systems aren't designed by nature to digest rice. That said, it does appear better than a lot of complete foods. But ALL dog food companies have done lots of research, and all dog food companies think theirs is the best product on the market. Or at least, they do if you talk to them. (sceptic, me?! )

I used to feed my dogs complete. They looked great. Everyone I met commented on how great they looked. My only problems were plaque covered teeth and smelly breath, which were in the end the things that made me look into what I was feeding and change to raw feeding.

Despite the fact I didn't think my dogs could look any better, they do. Much better, their coats are even shinier and on top of that, they have sweeet smelling breath and clean teeth, plus plenty of other benefits.

It's not for everyone, and it's not for all dogs, but I won't ever go back to processed food.

[quote=jackson;150005]I haven't tried it no. I was trying to avoid getting into a debate about processed foods.
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In that case why start one????

I put this post on to give people another choice of a food which had holistic qualities, not one that was really for debate I would never feed a raw diet but that is my personal choice and I dont knock those that would choose to feed that way

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Because the ONLY reason the food has 'holistic' qualities is because the manufacturer says so. It gives the impression it is hugely different to all the other processed foods, when in actual fact it is rather misleading. It will only be good for all the things it mentions if your dog doesn't happen to be allergic to what is in it.

I don't 'knock' what people feed, but most people give their dogs branded dog foods because someone else tells them it is good, or their dog did well on it. They don't feed it because they have looked into canine nutrition and then think it's a good idea.

Hoqwever, whatever anyone feeds their dog is not a welfare issue, so none of my business. I was just giving my opinion and didn't want the OP to be mislead by claims something is 'holistic'.

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Orijen claims to be holistic!!!!

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