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Old 07-02-2012, 11:58 AM
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opinions wanted about this (meniscus/cruciate injuries)...

I have been doing some research about clicking coming from stifle joints as I think this is where the clicking from my pups leg is coming from when she puts a slight twist on it while walking (she ok walking straight), its not the hip but im sure its not the paw now, its the knee or stifle joint as its called.. most information on the web seems to point to a 'meniscal click' (torn meniscus)

however, I have come across some information that states most of the time these can be left to heal with plenty of rest and that some vets can be quick to suggest surgery which maybe un-neccesary and cause arthritis earlier in life (not too forget the risks with surgery) and that some vets may be suggesting it just too make money off the procedure? - yet other sources say that meniscal tears are almost always associated with cruciate ligament injury and therefore surgery is required... I just dont know what too believe, if we take our pup to the vet and the vet immediatley suggest surgery then im gunna be worried sick inacse what ive read is true... anyway, most of these injuries above are normally associated with some form of pain and discomfort whereas our pup is 100% fine and wants to run & jump about when we let her out of her cage.

I was advised to wait until the new insurance (we took out last week with a new insurer after our KC freebie expired) kicked in over 2 weeks incase it was something serious and would be covered but my friends (online) wife works at a vets and she said the vet will know if the injury is old and will have to state so, so its possible the injury occurred while insured with old insurer

heres some of the info ive read:

AGAINST IMMEDIATE SURGERY
FOR IMMEDIATE SURGERY

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has anyone had any experience with these injuries etc??

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Old 07-02-2012, 12:11 PM
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Re: opinions wanted about this (meniscus/cruciate injuries)...

Cruciate injuries are very common in Rotts. I have had several of my lot injure in this way

Surgery is usually recommended for bad tears or complete rupture, only x-ray can confirm extent of injury.

I would only recommend self-healing in the case of slight tears/pulls, at least in the bigger breeds like Rotts anyway.

If one cruciate goes, the chances of the other leg going is greatly increased also.

The are more than one way of repairing by op, so research these too.

I've had one bitch have TPLO repair on both cruciates and she did heal fine etc etc but I would no longer choose this method as research in the US suggests there is in increased risk of bone cancer in later life and Rotts are prone to bone cancer to start with. Plus, the op leaves one leg slightly shorter than the other, therefore increasing the strain on the 'good' leg and increasing the risk in injury to this leg even more.

My other bitch had the older method of repair for a partial rupture, although it was quite a bad one. She had the cruciate repaired and a new one from tissue elsewhere, fixed next to it and tied together for extra support. She healed well too, very quickly in fact, and remains healthy and full of fitness today and the other leg has never bothered her so far (touches wood!)

Witrh your puppy having the clicking, it is likely that cruciate damage has occured. Having said that, it could be lots ofo ther things too, and the only wawy to confirm one way or the other is to x-ray the leg - Vets should advise this I think, its what I'd be asking for if it were my puppy and the clicking had been going on for more than a couple of weeks, even with no apparent change in gait.
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Re: opinions wanted about this (meniscus/cruciate injuries)...

Why don't you wait and see what a vet says about your dog? I tortured myself with internet research when Kilo developed his stifle click and convinced myself that it could be all manner of awful things. As you saw from the link I put on your other thread (not sure if you read it) it turned out to be something minor which resolved.
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Re: opinions wanted about this (meniscus/cruciate injuries)...

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Why don't you wait and see what a vet says about your dog? I tortured myself with internet research when Kilo developed his stifle click and convinced myself that it could be all manner of awful things. As you saw from the link I put on your other thread (not sure if you read it) it turned out to be something minor which resolved.
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@dogless - i did read it but cant remember, my heads in a spin at moment... I will go back and read it
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@dogless - i did read it but cant remember, my heads in a spin at moment... I will go back and read it
Think it got missed amongst all the other responses as you didn't reply (I don't think - you may have done ) - not a criticism as I completely understand why your head was spinning with HD / ED / Cruciate / Insurance things!! Mine was....but didn't need to be as it turned out.
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Think it got missed amongst all the other responses as you didn't reply (I don't think - you may have done ) - not a criticism as I completely understand why your head was spinning with HD / ED / Cruciate / Insurance things!! Mine was....but didn't need to be as it turned out.
no i promise i defo read it, it was your thread about similar problem, infact im sure i looked at it again after the first time..forgetting I had read it..lol
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no i promise i defo read it, it was your thread about similar problem, infact im sure i looked at it again after the first time..forgetting I had read it..lol
I think the only way to put your mind at rest is to go to the vet's....Google can be your enemy at times with so much info out there!!
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Re: opinions wanted about this (meniscus/cruciate injuries)...

aye i defo read it.. just been back and read it again and i remember it now... god i hope it is just growing, she is in no pain (yet) and not having any problems - but when she walks about and it clicks...ooh its horrible, sometimes I think its both legs too but its hard too say, my sister looked at a recent photo of her (she seen her few weeks back) and she said she is tall and looks like she is growing fast, another person commented on her long legs while she is small for her age

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aye i defo read it.. just been back and read it again and i remember it now... god i hope it is just growing, she is in no pain (yet) and not having any problems - but when she walks about and it clicks...ooh its horrible, sometimes I think its both legs too but its hard too say, my sister looked at a recent photo of her (she seen her few weeks back) and she said she is tall and looks like she is growing fast, another person commented on her long legs while she is small for her age

It is horrible isn't it? Feeling it lifting Kilo into the car used to be dreadful too as I was convinced it was serious and got in a bit of a panic about it all. Your pup does look quite leggy; think Kilo had been putting on about 1.5kg / week at that point and just needed to slow down. He practically grew overnight some days!!
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Re: opinions wanted about this (meniscus/cruciate injuries)...

with Kilo was it only when he sat & raised...? or would it happen during walking too?

my partner would say in mornings she sure she looks bigger too

I absolutely adore our pup and if it turns out she has got something serious because of me giving her 2-3 lots of 20 minute "off-the-lead" excersize per day then i dont think I will be able to live with myself knowing ive caused it ...iam besides myself now, iam waiting for my partner to come in to talk about taking her to vets asap
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