RAW Diet

chrismac · #1 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 03:01 PM

I have just put Winston on a RAW diet this week and he is loving it!

I found this helpfull:-

Nutrition

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The Raw Food Diet

The drive of this approach is towards a wild-type diet. The cat and dog have evolved over thousands of years to eat certain raw foods. These foods then, logically, must be best suited to optimal health. There is an argument that dogs in different geographical areas of the world will have evolved to eat variations on this basic wild diet. I think this is probably the case, but the degree that this affects the dog is minimal compared to the quantum shift from commercial to raw food. First things first, ay!?

The Canid in the wild is essentially a hunter/scavenger. It will be eating a very varied diet based mainly on hunted and scavenged ruminant and small mammal carcases, scavenge fruit, berries nuts and roots etc. When they eat a carcase, they start with the viscera, including the gut content (liquidised raw grass, cereal and vegetable matter), then move onto muscle and other tissues. They are finally left with bones on which to chew.

Cats are similar in that they will eat a whole carcase including fur, neural tissue and gut contents and so on. They will not tend to scavenge, and therefore are better adapted to fresher meat and a higher proportion of the diet as meat/tissue protein. This, therefore, must be reflected in the raw food diet fed today.

Diet Sheet for Dogs:

Natural Feeding for Dogs

Dogs, Food and History: For thousands of years, dogs roamed the ancient world. They made their homes on the Savannahs of Africa, the plains of India and the forests of Europe, Asia and the Americas. Packs of dogs swirled through every type of terrain in every climate. They ate what they could wherever they could. Their food came from three sources: prey, scavenged and grazed items. Prey would be mainly herbivores, for example rabbits, deer, sheep or antelope. Scavenged food was food which dogs , acting as nature's cleaners, devoured from the scraps left over from the meals of big, messy carnivores such as lions, bears and pumas. Grazed food included apples, berries and other wild fruits and nuts in season, and formed a small but significant part of a dog's diet, especially during summer. Coprophagia (eating of faeces) offered dogs even greater nutritional scope.

Dogs hunted in packs. They devoured their prey completely: nothing would remain of the carcase. The soft organs, or viscera, were the first things to be eaten, followed by the gut contents, which, in herbivores, would be full of chewed and partially digested vegetable matter. Cereals were also present, but only as a small proportion. Then the muscle (meat) would be eaten. The bones, skin and hair comprised the final course, being nature's way of cleaning the teeth after a large meal.

Man has been feeding dogs for about forty thousand years. The canines helped with the hunt and man rewarded them with some of the leftovers, which the dogs were only too happy to consume. Life was easier for both species under this arrangement: man got a useful hunting companion; the dogs got a pack mate who fed them a broad-ranging diet without them having to do too much work.

Commercial Diets: In the 1950s, food producers in the United States came up with a novel idea to sell the large amounts of leftover, poor-quality meat, gristle, viscera and cereal by-products that they could not hide in sausages: they put it in tins and called it 'dog food'. For the first time in history, people could buy food specially made for their dogs. The idea caught on, and soon people forgot that they used to simply feed their dogs raw meat and bones and vegetable scraps - a broad variety of foods which, being minimally processed, retained their nutritional value.

Today we find ourselves bombarded with pet food advertisements for 'this' tinned brand or 'that' dry brand, or 'this' sausage preparation or 'that' super-chew. There are so many processed dog foods to choose from that we don't know where to turn. When I was at college, one of my lecturers said, 'If there's more than one answer to a problem, then they're probably all wrong'. Is this the case with pet food? I believe so. I think we've forgotten about the basics in our drive for convenience. Admittedly, we all try to buy the best for our wonderful dogs, but ask yourself the following: (a) If this food is as great as they say it is, why aren't they giving it to people to eat - astronauts or prisoners, for example? And ( b) Would I eat this stuff?

The answers to these questions, as we all know, are (a) No, they do not and would not use such food for people, in any extreme (apart from school children, I suppose), and (b) No, I wouldn't eat it if you paid me!

Convenient Disease: So why do we feed processed food to our dogs? In a word, convenience. But how convenient is it when, because of eating processed food, your pet develops a persistent itch, eczema, dental problems, smelly breath, an inhalant allergy, colitis, food hypersensitivity, lethargy, a dull or scurfy coat, kidney disease , or rheumatoid arthritis - to name but a few?

Raw Food: Dogs, in my opinion, should eat, as far as possible, a raw diet: raw meat, liquidised raw fruit and veg, and raw bones. It's simple to feed, and, as your own common sense will tell you, it's what dogs are designed to eat. Here's how a raw diet works:

The Rules:

Dogs should be fed on a variety of raw meat and bones. Just sticking to one meat source will deprive the dog of nutrients. Do not feed pork. If your dog has a skin or bowel problem, do not initially feed beef; wait until you're sure that it won't cause hypersensitivity (4 weeks), and then introduce gradually. Raw chicken wings can also be fed as a meat source two or three times a week and are ideal for small dogs and puppies over 5 weeks. Never give cooked bones: they are prone to splinter and can cause internal problems for your pet. Raw bones are easily chewed and digested, and provide much-needed calcium. It is very unlikely, but not impossible, that bones will become stuck in the digestive tract; if you do not give bones to clean teeth, however, poor teeth and general anaesthetic for dental work is very likely. Giving raw vegetable stalks (eg broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower) or whole raw carrots and other fibrous vegetables helps to keep teeth clean.

Daily quantities of raw meat: for every 10kg of body weight, a dog should eat 2-400g of meat/meaty bones. This is only a guideline to start: if your dog is gaining weight, reduce the quantity; if it is losing weight, increase it. Chicken wings should be counted as meat, but meaty bones should be fed, in addition to meat, at least twice weekly for teeth cleaning and to supply calcium. Minces with ground bone content (e.g. AMP minces - see later) are an excellent source of calcium. You can feed once or twice daily.

For every handful of meat, feed two handfuls of liquidised raw fruit and veg* - a bit like 'meat-and-two-veg' that we're all used to hearing. Freshly ground-up nuts (any nuts), ground-up seeds (pumpkin, sunflower etc.), herbs (any) should be added to the 'veg' portion. Cooked beans can replace meat occasionally.

Feed fresh viscera once a week instead of meaty bones (heart, kidney, lung or liver). Remember, wild animals as a food source come with viscera (organ meat) as well as muscle meat and bones; it' s a necessary part of a balanced diet, however distasteful it may appear. Vary the organ meat weekly.

Treats can include baked liver cubes, small amounts of freeze-dried meats, fruit and veg portions or dried fruit (not raisins).

Do not feed cereals or rice (mixer biscuits or treats). Do not feed raisins. Buckwheat and Quinoa are good fillers as they are not cereals.

* Take any vegetables, especially green-leaved ones, fruit and salad items and place in the liquidiser. You can use just one or two ingredients at any one liquidising, but make sure you have variety from week to week. Blend to a rough broth. If necessary, add some water. Pour the liquidised mix onto the meat until you have a meat-to-veg ratio of 1:2 by volume. If your dog is ill or old, you should take a few days to slowly and gradually switch to the new regimen .

Use a good mineral and vitamin supplement. I recommend to all dogs:

ULTIMATE NUTRITION FOR DOGS

- available from my office (Tel: 01225 48 7778 or email: orders@holisticvet.co.uk)

How to bend the rules:

• If you cannot bear to feed raw meat, very quick cooking in olive oil to 'seal' the juices is ok. Meat should be rare when served.
• Liquidised raw veg will last for forty-eight hours in the fridge, so you need only do the blending three times weekly, although it does begin to lose its goodness pretty soon after liquidising. Rice is fine in small amounts, but pasta is not good as it is made from wheat. An oven-baked mixer biscuit can be used to fill out the diet once or twice weekly: feed one-third meat, one-third veg and one-third high-quality biscuit, such as Natural Choice Holistic Dog Food (01278 652 184). Do not use any cereals if you are trying to avoid allergy due to grains .
• If you really can't bring yourself to feed raw bones or chicken wings, frozen-meat suppliers AMP(0800 0183 770) offer minces in their Prize Choice range which contain 4% finely ground bone and thus provide valuable calcium. Chews could be given to clean the teeth if no bones are fed. AMP do supply turkey necks - these are very good to start dogs on to help clean teeth.

chrismac · #2 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 03:02 PM

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Further Reading : The best book on the subject is 'The Barf Diet' (ISBN 0 958 592 1 9) by Dr Ian Billinghurst, an Australian vet with more than twenty five years' practice experience. It can be purchased from several UK-based mail-order houses or via the Internet. If you can't find it, contact me and I can send you a copy. This sheet was inspired by Dr Billinghurst and other authors' books (Schultz, Lonsdale, Volhardt and Strombeck).

Scares: Certain authorities are concerned about feeding dogs raw meat. They claim, without substantial supporting evidence, that such a diet can lead to the dogs becoming infected with bacteria, some of which can be passed to people. In my experience, dogs are naturally able to cope well with the level of contamination that is present in all uncooked meat. I believe that they can eat such food and be no more of a threat to human health than dogs fed a commercial diet; indeed, my experience leads me to believe that, if a dog is fed a raw-food diet, it will be healthier and better able to cope with bugs that are transmissible to people. If you have any concerns, or you have very young, very old, or immuno-deficient people in your household, then you would be best advised to talk with your doctor or other health professional.

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victorianbullylover08 · #3 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 03:02 PM

yeh i was thinkin of puttin roxie onto raw too

thanks for that

chrismac · #4 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 03:04 PM

Winston has changed already. He is more alert, playful, and just seems alot happier.

Plus his food is gone in a second now, whereas before he didnt really mind not eating his complete.

victorianbullylover08 · #5 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by chrismac

Winston has changed already. He is more alert, playful, and just seems alot happier.

Plus his food is gone in a second now, whereas before he didnt really mind not eating his complete.

yeh i have found that with roxie too, she dont seem fussed with the complete food at all

will look more into the raw diet

chrismac · #6 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 03:09 PM

I am buying Tesco's mince, also buy Pets@Home's range of RAW food too.

gillieworm · #7 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 03:10 PM

We made the leap to raw when my youngest was about 3 1/2 months old. I had been umming and arrhing for ages when it was just my boy we had. I finally bit the bullet, threw all the crap dog food out and started with raw and have never looked back. My puppy took to it like a duck to water, but my boy took a little while longer to get used to it, probably because he had spent so long on dried food.

Every single meal gets eaten with absolutely nothing left, he gets excited when we are dishing it out too. Before we had to pretty much bribe him to eat. Its been like a breath of freshair not having a battle every meal time, plus we don't get the stinky dog breath and smelly bums anymore

Edit: Tesco do a geat range actually, with kidneys, hearts, livers etc. Plus the stuff you get from P@H you can get cheaper by ordering direct at Natural Frozen Pet Foods - Prize Choice - The Natural Food for Healthy Animals

chrismac · #8 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 04:08 PM

What range do Tesco's do?

I have been buying the £1.70 1kg bag.

Thanks for that link, I am just registering.

gillieworm · #9 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chrismac

What range do Tesco's do?

I have been buying the £1.70 1kg bag.

Thanks for that link, I am just registering.

I just meant their stuff in the fridge section, they have things like chicken liver, lamb liver, lamb kidney, lambs heart and all pretty reasonably priced, I tend to stock up and freeze it. I usually shop at Asda and they don't have half the stuff that tesco do.

Freya'n'Sassy · #10 (**permalink**) 05-11-2008, 04:30 PM

The Prize Choice range is quite commercialised. I can tell you having, spoken to the company that all their "mince" range may well contain poultry as well as what ever is on the packet, so if you think you are buying just rabbit, you are probably not!! Also don't forget bones that your dog can actually eat, as these minces won't contain enough bone.

Some people I know use the following companies for their dog meat: Durham Animal Feeds :: DAF Petfood - Welcome or Landywood Pet Foods : Home. I don't use either as my butcher gets most of the stuff I ask for, or I buy at the supermarket.

BTW, did you know that the economy mince in supermarkets contains bone, so that is ideal for a raw fed dog... Along with the chicken wings, legs ect... My GSD loves the turkey legs!

There is another good book on the market. It is called The Dog's Dinner and is written by Ann Ridyard, she is a German Shepherd breeder (Krisannrio) and she weans all her pups on a raw diet. If you google for her website I think you can buy the book there, or email Ann

And get ready to fend off those people who tell you that feeding your dog raw meat and especially chicken or lamb bones is going to kill them!!

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