Not as good as JWB, and has maize as the first ingredient, with only 14% meat meal in it.

Not to mention meat meal and fat from unknown sources.

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Very good point Nonnie: when a meal has no listed animal source you have need to be concerned as its source is literally anyones guess. When a meal source is listed ie chicken or turkey, you know exactly what animal is being used in the kibble.

Note: "Derivatives" are different from "meals" and should be avoided in kibbles.


The Harringtons having very low meat count doesnt look that good really especially with the maize being a higher quantity in the order of ingredients.
edit: it has yeast in too!!! not good - causes bloating in their stomachs - it can have fatal consequences too...

Other than the price can someone tell me what is wrong with Hills?

The ingredients have minimum 30% chicken( puppy large breed) and no artificial colours, preservatives or flavourings?

They have changed their ingredients by all counts within the last few months though on the whole - they are rubbish, far better foods for the price, lots of threads on this. It been told too many times, just look through a few thread and youll find something 1 is their use of guar gum as one of their grains - its an industrail thickener derived from corn starch - basically binds everything together for passsage.

It seems as though whatever the food someone has had a negative experience with it!
We have at least a months worth left so i'll keep looking at the forum before I make a final decision.

I can personally vouch for the ingredients in Natural Instinct as have seen it made - human grade meat and bone from Smithfield market, plus fresh fruit and veg - and nothing else. They don't use any wheat or grains, or "meal" or "derivatives" and dogs seem to absolutely thrive on it. They deliver for free too.

[QUOTE=popsy;1077238]I came across this recently, which really horrified me as all dry dog food contains 'chicken meal' or 'cooked chicken' (which is meal) - all meal is from rendered animals....The Dark Side of Recycling - Rendering Plants

You have to differentiate between what used to go on in the US (the article above) and the meat used in pet food in the UK.
There are far too many horror stories around!

If the ingredient declaration says chicken meal (or just chicken) then this is chicken meat from the human food chain after we've had all the bits off that we want. The carcasses are rendered down and usable protein is dried to a powder that can then be incorporated into the pet food. It will also include a proportion of bone which is actually good.

There is actually a good arguement which goes along the lines of 'If this product wasn't used in pet food then the amount of chicken/lamb carcasses remaining after processing for humans would be almost impossible to get rid of - would we want it in landfill?'

If your ingredient declaration says 'animal by-products' then that's a different story of course!

[QUOTE=james1;1077431]Have to disagree with that popsy.......

"Meat meal" is different from "meat" yes but its not as scary as what some scare stories make out. Firstly Orijen is produced in Canada where the regulations on the production of pet foods far exceeds most other countries. They are so heavily regulated which only a few brands come from Canada and they are all high end because of this. Orijen has won independent reviews as top dog food 2009/10 and independent studies peformed by Universities getting 6 star ratings (top being 6) for its health benefits and igredients content.

In the Adult Orijen: Meat is the top with 2 meal types next then Fish meat
In the Senior Orijen: Meat is again top with 2 meals and then Fish 4th
In the Puppy Orijen: Meat is again top with 2 meals next and Fish 4th again
The two meal products are the only meal products in the entire ingredients listings and contain things like carcases and bones - things that are perfectly healthy to give (marrowbone) but would otherwise go to waste

James, you seem to be really knowledgeable about Orijin foods - are you on a commission?!

Sorry - but I just would never feed a food that is so packed with meal meal - which is not even organic. I mean it's all the toxic stuff going into a powder and then being described as 'meat'. A grain-free dry food means that the ingredient that makes it all stick together is meat meal overload - very hard for our poor pets to digest this..and will leave them open to all sorts of illnesses, skin problems etc.

Have just taken delivery of my first bag of CSJ "That'll Do" and after checking out their website and feedback on their foods, I feel I may now have found the one i've been looking for.

The two dogs have already tried to "break in" to the bag and judging be the racket they were making....they seem to find the smell appetising enough

I'm sure that the pup will be looking forward to when he's allowed to eat it too!

Whats that supposed to mean? Ive recommended several foods, it just so happends that now im feeding them Orijen at present.

Orijen isnt packed with meal at all - the first ingredient in all of their prodcts is meat meaning it has the highest inclusion. They use human grade meats too. The 2 meals are from stated animals which is also good. Theres nothing toxic about it, and I said in an earlier post Orijen is probably second to a very well judged BARF diet. Asside from giving them raw bones - meal would be the only way a kibble could include carcass etc.
I really dont know what your talking about grain free foods makes ingredients stick together? youve lost me there.
Grains arent included as some are poisonous ie corn, some cause irritation ie wheat and some are not easily digested ie maize.

I think your trying to recommend Lillys Kitchen bake or something. Organic foods dont really have that much nutritional gusto over normally produced foods. Organic foods are really a lifestyle choice originally designed to get people aware of chemicals used in farming. There have been longitudal comparison studies done on organic v's regualar diets and the results showed no exposure to anything harmfull and no benefits as far as general health between the two.

This isnt a competetion to outdo each other on pet foods - its simply a dicussion to give people an idea of what foods might be suitable for their dog. The best is always debatable and could go on for ever....