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Old 22-09-2009, 08:23 AM
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Dr. Johns is one of the worst foods on the market it really is full of rubbish, you should be thanking the lady for not getting it in any more.
Has anyone tried the new food from Orijen ( Orijen Red ) I got it for my two a few weeks ago and they love it.

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Dr Johns is recommended for Shar Peis by Paul Saxton at the Shar Pei Rescue of Great Britain, it has the right amount of everything.

The lady i get the Robbies from is starting to do a new food, so am going up to see her to get a sample, but if it's the same as Robbies i wont be buying- Buster gained no weight due to the content.

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Dr Johns is recommended for Shar Peis by Paul Saxton at the Shar Pei Rescue of Great Britain, it has the right amount of everything.
Honestly it really is one of the worst foods out there.
The first ingredient is cereals, that will be the cheapest one on the market at the time they are buying, so the cereal content will change regularly.
meat and animal derivatives, derivatives are all the crap that's left over after the carcass has been stripped of meat, it's beaks, claws, skin, hooves, anything that's left of the animal gets chucked in pet food.
eec permitted antioxidants could be BHA and BHT both of which some experts believe can cause cancers.
I used to feed my last sheltie girl Robbies and she did really well on it.

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derivatives are all the crap that's left over after the carcass has been stripped of meat, it's beaks, claws, skin, hooves, anything that's left of the animal gets chucked in pet food.
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I know what you mean, but animal derivatives, though not terrifically high quality protein are regulated by law. If you think about it, in the wild an animal (certainly my cat!) will generally eat 99% of what they kill, and that includes some of what we might think of as the less desirable cuts of meat!

As I see it, ingredients such as this fulfill two purposes. 1) they ensure efficient use of the food chain, in that because we are fussy about what we eat there's going to be a lot left from the slaughtering process, and if this can be a food source rather than dumped in landfill that is basically good, and green!
2) It's a cheap source of protein for those who can't afford posh nosh for their pets. It's the pet equivalent of us buying Tesco Saverburgers rather than 100% Aberdeen Angus Quarter Pounders!

I use a pet food where I know what's in it protein-wise, and choose one without the artificial antioxidants (in my case Whites Premium) but it is a bit more expensive than Dr Johns, and if I was strapped for cash I might have to go down that route!
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I know what you mean, but animal derivatives, though not terrifically high quality protein are regulated by law. If you think about it, in the wild an animal (certainly my cat!) will generally eat 99% of what they kill, and that includes some of what we might think of as the less desirable cuts of meat!
That they will but they will also eat the meat, something that a lot of the poorer dog foods don't have in them. I've not had a cat for years but when they did catch something they tended to leave the head and the limbs and only eat the body .

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Honestly it really is one of the worst foods out there.
The first ingredient is cereals, that will be the cheapest one on the market at the time they are buying, so the cereal content will change regularly.
meat and animal derivatives, derivatives are all the crap that's left over after the carcass has been stripped of meat, it's beaks, claws, skin, hooves, anything that's left of the animal gets chucked in pet food.
eec permitted antioxidants could be BHA and BHT both of which some experts believe can cause cancers.
I used to feed my last sheltie girl Robbies and she did really well on it.

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It might be awful but....

The difficulty i have is that i have multi allergic Peis. It might be bad food but its about the only food i can buy (apart from Robbies and Luaths) that doesnt make my dogs face and chest go purple and swell up.

As much as i love my dogs once they are gone i won't be getting another Shar Pei. They are so much hard work in the food department.
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Autarky Adult:

Ingredients: Maize, chicken meat meal, rice, chicken fat, green vegetables, carrots, whole linseed, prairie meal, yeast, herbs, spices, seaweed, yucca extract, with EC permitted antioxidants: mixed tocopherols, vitamin C and rosemary extract.

Nutrient Analysis:
Protein: 22% Fibre: 3% Oil: 12% Ash: 6.5% Vitamin A 15000 iu/kg Vitamin D 1500 iu/kg Vitamin E 150 mg/kg


Autarky Puppy/Junior:

Ingredients: Maize, chicken meat meal, rice, chicken fat, green vegetables, carrots, whole linseed, prairie meal, yeast, herbs, spices, seaweed, yucca extract, with EC permitted antioxidants: mixed tocopherols, vitamin C and rosemary extract.

Nutrient Analysis:
Protein: 28% Fibre: 3% Oil: 17% Ash: 8% Vitamin A 15000 iu/kg Vitamin D 1500 iu/kg Vitamin E 150 mg/kg

Are those any good?

I was planning to put the boys on Arden Grange, but long plan wise it wouldn't be suitable as they're on offer now, but I don't know how long for, so I'm shopping around atm.
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in the puppy one: maize is top and fat is 4th on the list, it doesnt look so hot to me, the majority of the protein will be coming from the maize which is hard if not impossible to digest for dogs
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Well if I can't find anything else I'll be getting Skinners I think. So it'd be £30/month I hope lol.

Unless there's something just as good for cheaper?
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in the puppy one: maize is top and fat is 4th on the list, it doesnt look so hot to me, the majority of the protein will be coming from the maize which is hard if not impossible to digest for dogs
I'd imagine maize is hard to digest but why have Chappie tinned managed to claim it is one of the most easily digestible. I'm suspicious now of any commercial foods.

Skinners; i have some time for as i've bought from the factory and hopefully shortly will arrange a tour round - but then i live locally.
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It's probably been mentioned before but this site was very useful to me when I was deciding what pet food to feed my two

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