My young Collie was on the same please try CSj dog food. Cheap and better. Made originally for gumdogs and working dohs but now have a range.

Oh and I don't work for them. JUst wish I knew of them earlier.

We weened our springers over to adult burns, find it suits their digestion a lot more, less mess, don't need to give them too much which is good as Molly always tries to eat Fudges dinner!

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My puppy is very fussy, i am trying him on hills natures best right now. Can anyone tell me if this is any good?.

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am changing my 5mth old collie from Science plan to james wellbeloved. She seems to be tiring of the SP and has loads of stools each day. Also it is pretty expensive. Hope the JW will keep her (and my purse!!) happy.

hi i have just changed mine from natures diet to arden grange premium

Hi, I have two border collies and a border collie/jack russell cross.

One of the collies and the cross were fed Hill's Science Plan for ages and then we moved them to Purina Beta after trying a few other things. Bakers Choice and Pedigree both had 'interesting' results and I wouldn't go there again.

The youngest collie was fed Eukanuba puppy as soon as he got off mum's milk and tehn onto Beta for him too.

After speaking to our new neighbour (we've just moved) we've tried them on Chudley's. The crazy thing is that they all prefer it and are in even better condition, even though it's very significantly cheaper (about £12/15kilos). The male adult border collie gets about 230g twice a day, he's around 20 kilos. The food is a mix of kibbles and muesli-type stuff. http://www.chudleys.com/products/dog...-dog/original/

Having tried the expensive stuff, yes it works, but it seems that something else about a third-quarter the price is just as good... It's sold as a food for working dogs, and round here we have to go to a little shop a few villages away to get it, big pet shops seem not to want to stock this range...

Possibly a bonus or possibly coincidence; but Merlin the big lad is a Blue Merle and has always had problems with some of his pads - some of them are pink, and playing on hard surfaces too hard has always been a reliable way of giving him a bloody foot. This has cleared up since going onto the Chudley's original. I'd recommend anyone with Collies to give it a go...

Edit: should make it clear that i haven't been trying to make his paws bleed, we've just never had a gravel drive before...

With dog food the 'you get what you pay for' is not so applicable. Due to the competition i think a lot depends on whether the manufacturer has their own processing equipment. Arden Grange and Burns i think use a firm for manufacture and so costs are much higher. Pet shops stock what'll bring in the better profit. Also the range is so vast they can't stock all. Of the kibble food i like the muesli mix and dogs do seem to love it.

But then again if something like Burns is 55% rice... i don't see that it is better than me cooking rice on the stove and adding meat and vitamins.

I have two of my dogs on a raw diet and I couldn't be happier with how they are thriving on it.

However I get quite annoyed by comments like the above - that feeding raw is the ONLY way to have a healthy happy dog. What a load of bullocks! My dogs ate super premium dried food for years and they did well on it, just not as well as they now do on a raw diet.

Not every dog can eat a raw diet. I have an elderly dog here who I did change over to BARF but she has a lot of allergies and can't stomach red meat and a variety of other raw foods. She did worse on a raw diet than she did on dried food. So I feed her a combination of raw chicken and Artemis dried food and she is now back to being a healthy happy dog, as her allergies are being managed.

There are also a variety of medical conditions that create intolerance to raw foods, while I always recommend a raw diet, it is not suitable to every dog.

Sometimes I think raw feeders are doing themselves a disservice by being so gung ho about their diet, I LOVE feeding raw but there are many dogs out there who thrive on good quality dried food too.

Now to the thread at hand - we can't get Orijen in my country as it was pulled from the shelves due to the irridation issue, so I feed Artemis to one of my dogs which I am very happy with. I recommend Eagle Pack Holistic too.

Actually I agree with you

A raw diet to most dogs is the best, but that doesnt mean its a one size fits all diet. Not every dog can tolerate a raw diet, not every owner is able to provide a raw diet. My pup is now on a combination of raw meaty bones n chicken wings along with naturediet. I moved from totally raw (with burns biccys which he detested) to ND for convenience. I go away with family alot, and it takes alot more forethought and planning to take a raw diet with me. It also means when i go on holiday and he goes off to visit family I know they will be confident in feeding him.

Another point I made in a different thread was....

We all moan and complain about the cheaper off the shelf supermarket dog foods. But they are still amongst the most popular in the country, there must be hundreds of dogs living happily on this diet out there, we just dont get to see them on here. Ok their diet might not be the best quality and full of additives, but it is obviously working for these pets and their owners.

And it does not (IMO) do pro-raw feeders any favours by trying to guilt people into feeding 'their' way (i.e. raw is the only way for your dog to be happy and healthy).

I definitely agree with your last point, although there are a lot of health problems that are caused by poor nutrition. Grains are one of the main (if not the number one) food allergies in dogs. Many dogs survive on dodgy food but they aren't necessarily doing well or thriving as they would on a better quality diet.

And cost is definitely no indicator, as any raw feeder will tell you, it can be quite an economical diet to feed. There are so-called premium foods out there that I would never feed (Science Diet and Eukanuba are two that immediately spring to mind) and they can be quite expensive.