To be honest a dog who takes that long for the * to appear would not be breeding material as the tendency for them to be slow to come down could also be inherited.

I know a CKCS who has none at all at 18 months.

The Cancer risk is not immediate so there is no great panic, and to be honest the cost should not be any more than a bitch spay.

Depending on his size it is best to leave him with his hormonal system intact until all the bones have stopped growing. The upperarm and corresponding bones in the rear legs don't stop until around 14 months so a few more months wait won't do any harm.

Cheers DH - The OP didnt feel the need to use such a coarse word in this thread.....we all DO use the word I know - and I for one am not a prude but it needed changing.......my daughter who is 12 years reads this forum sometimes but she doesnt need to read that word to understand what is being spoken about

I did try telling my friend that it is best to wait until her dog was a little older , but her being a worrier, I didn't mean straight away get it done I would wait until my dog was fully grown and then I would of had it done , The vet was the one who put the worry on her saying that best to get it done now before the dog gets much older Cancer would more and likely happen and she was told it would cost £150 .She was also told and this is not me this is the vet that she seen was that the breeder should of not sold the puppy if he knowingly knew that there was a problem , , as she could of wanted to breed from him and brought a dog she couldn't breed with ,

I know if I was going to buy a dog / or bitch I would of made sure I found out about any inherited problems so you know what your up against, it may not of been that the problem occoured down the line and has only now resurfaced a few litters later like human inherited problems may miss a few and then happen to someone else down the line a bit further.
I would not buy an animal just because I want a perfect animal I would buy an animal for the love I could give it , what ever faults , as all animals have the rights to live regardless on inherited problems I just thought I'll get that in because my prevous bit about buying one sounds like I would only buy a top animal.
If i had the room I would be a home for all unwanted animals.I would give the best possable care I could give.

But this is now going off the post topic ,
yes I would wait until your Dog has fully matured and then if required have the deed done.

hi thanks for all your replys we are going to have him done in a few months as he is only 1 thee other day we will just wait a couple more months we did not have him for breeding just a pet and he is adorable he is so good we have had a ckc before and lost him at 12 years he was lovley but this one is the best dog we have had he is so laid back loves to play and lets you know when he wants to go to bed in his cage at night
but he as started one thing that is he thinks when we get his lead for a walk he thinks its play time and runs of around lounge table
how can we get him out of that
all thanks again for replys

where do you keep his lead?
i keep all mine in a cupboard by the font door so when i go out they wait by the door for there leads but i did used to shut the doors to the other rooms so they couldnt run round when they were small.
what i would do is when your ready to go out for a walk is call him make him sit and wait try not to let him see the lead for a while until his learnt, then when his sitting give him a little treat and then take hold of his coller and put his lead on
so that way he cant run round.

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Entirety is not the only consideration re breeding. Most dogs should not be bred from entire or no.

So a dog bought as a companion is not defective in any way, and as most people would neuter their PET anyway I don't see the issue from the fairness point of view unless the pup was sold specifically as show potential.

hi jack is booked in in march to have is castration ah poor little man i will keep you all informed on his progress
from sue

Awww I think you are doing the right thing - Good luck little Jack

So there is a testicles which is hidden? You must check whether there is a 'shy' testicles some dogs only have one testicles.

Try this steps to check :
1) The correct position to examine your dog’s testicle is very important. You will need to locate your dog at the border of a table where your dog back part is hanging down from the table.

2) The position your dogs are located for examination need to have sufficient space for you to reach the bottom part (between belly and leg) of your dog body.

3) After positioning your puppies on the edge of the table, ask someone to help you to hold your dog to maintain this position.

4) Where is your dog’s testicle? First of all, put your index and ring finger on your pup’s belly with the penis is in between each finger.

5) Now, applying some pressure on your finger and press downwards to your dog’s belly towards the tail. Where the testicles is just next to the tail.

6) How to ensure the dog testicle from pulling up into the body? Maintain the position as above during dog’s testicles inspection.

7) So, you will be able to feel the testicle which hold in the scrotum when you are pressing towards the ends of your male dog’s body.

If your dog has ‘shy’ testicles then you must help him to massage using the method shown above until the testicle drop up.

The second testicles are not drop out because one of the testicles are retracts into the abdomen and while the puppies grow, the lowering ligaments of the pup’s body does not lengthen as it should be as the testicles are not being able to drop out!

Normally, testicles are present in the scrotum before 6weeks old. And will be shown after 6 to 12 months old. So far, I have not seen any puppies that have the testicles drop out after 12 months old.

But the dog has testicles but it do not drop out then surgery is a must as this will cause cancer.

Danielle Chua

Try to massage him as this will help. If the vet had clarify there is a shy testicles which is hidden in the scortum as help him to massage as this will help.

Where is your dog’s testicle?
1)First of all, put your index and ring finger on your pup’s belly with the penis is in between each finger.

2)Now, applying some pressure on your finger and press downwards to your dog’s belly towards the tail. Where the testicles is just next to the tail.

3) How to ensure the dog testicle from pulling up into the body? Maintain the position as above during dog’s testicles inspection.

4)So, you will be able to feel the testicle which hold in the scrotum when you are pressing towards the ends of your male dog’s body.

Do this everyday, this will help to drop the testicles out from the scortum.

Danielle Chua.