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Old 19-07-2008, 10:33 AM
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Re: Tyler's Story (Sad)

I have just read Tylers sorry story and feel so bad for the owners. My dog too was taken by police last year and returned in a terrible state, underweight, suffering from roundworm and parasites, cuts to his muzzle and head etc.
I have started a group on faceook called Cruelty To dogs In Police Care and have over 574 people on it. This is to show that these dogs are not looked after properly as stated by the Animal Welfare Act 2006.
I have made an offical complaint about my pets treatment (or lack of it in this case) to the Police Complaints Commision

If any members have had their pets seized then please join and get your friends to also, as something must be done about this abuse.

To Tylers owners, my heart goes out to you for this poor animal..my pet too would have died if we hadnt have got him back sooner. nearly 4 months in total.. Please contact me if you would be so kind.

I will be adding pics of Kodee on return from the police and now...but pics are on facebook....


Also would all pet owners join..

Petition to: open up the index of exempted dogs to owner led registration.


Also a good site if your dog is seizd is this one, please read what the have to say...

Endangered Dogs Defence and Rescue - Helping dogs in need

Many Thanks

Glynis and Kodee

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Old 19-07-2008, 11:59 AM
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Sorry Sallyanne I couldn't read your first post. I get the drift though. How can we stop this type of cruelty, in that seized dogs should be in place of safety and good quality care.

Human prisoners aren't treated like that any more because of human rights where are the animal rights (I am not meaning the activists). I mean basic care that the RSPCA should endeavour to enforce.

I also think the legislation needs changing/amending whatever, that unless a dog is reported and found to be aggressive towards people it shouldn't not be seized no matter what breed or breed type it is.

I can take you round my estate and point out dogs that would be deemed dangerous under the Breed Specific Legislation, however these dogs are just crossbreeds and loveable family pets. There are other dogs that don't come under this legislatiion that I wouldn't even allow you to post a letter at their residence. Where is the logic in the legislation.

What the public and the politicians fail to realise is that no matter what breed of dog it can be trained either to be socialable or anti-social.

Lets think about the dogs that have attacked in recent years, now think about the circumstances leading to those attacks: -


. Known undesireable temprament/behaviour of dog (trained and encouraged by owner)
. Known undersireable temprament/behaviour of dog (due to lack of basic training and/or neglect)
. Unknown temprament/behaviour of dog (recently rehomed from unknown source)
. Unsupervised children with dogs.
. Lack of control of dogs (dogs off the leash in public places).

The list is endless although it all points to irresponsible ownership, absolutely nothing to do with the breed.

Even if a normally docile family pet dog (Pit Bull Type) attacks because of a medical condition that doesn't prove it was an attack waiting to happen because of the breed, as some would have us believe.

Problem is how do you educate people.

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Old 19-07-2008, 12:44 PM
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Disgraceful, I think times have changed since 1991/1993 but still a shocking story none the less.

Especially the end, leaving the poor thing at teh doorstep.
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Such a sad story - lets hope things have changed since then.
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Unfortunatly they haven't changed at all,.
Unfortunately Sally-anne is right. If anything, it is getting worse. Just a few days ago in Nottingham a man was walking his dog - a dogue de bordeaux cross - and the dog was seized by police because it was a pit-bull type. This dog was not aggressive, had never threatened or injured anyone, and there had been no complaints to the police about it. The police just saw it being walked and seized it. "Fury" - who exist to help people fight this sort of thing - are helping him with his case.
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Sorry Sallyanne I couldn't read your first post. I get the drift though. How can we stop this type of cruelty, in that seized dogs should be in place of safety and good quality care.

Human prisoners aren't treated like that any more because of human rights where are the animal rights (I am not meaning the activists). I mean basic care that the RSPCA should endeavour to enforce.

I also think the legislation needs changing/amending whatever, that unless a dog is reported and found to be aggressive towards people it shouldn't not be seized no matter what breed or breed type it is.

I can take you round my estate and point out dogs that would be deemed dangerous under the Breed Specific Legislation, however these dogs are just crossbreeds and loveable family pets. There are other dogs that don't come under this legislatiion that I wouldn't even allow you to post a letter at their residence. Where is the logic in the legislation.

What the public and the politicians fail to realise is that no matter what breed of dog it can be trained either to be socialable or anti-social.

Lets think about the dogs that have attacked in recent years, now think about the circumstances leading to those attacks: -


. Known undesireable temprament/behaviour of dog (trained and encouraged by owner)
. Known undersireable temprament/behaviour of dog (due to lack of basic training and/or neglect)
. Unknown temprament/behaviour of dog (recently rehomed from unknown source)
. Unsupervised children with dogs.
. Lack of control of dogs (dogs off the leash in public places).

The list is endless although it all points to irresponsible ownership, absolutely nothing to do with the breed.

Even if a normally docile family pet dog (Pit Bull Type) attacks because of a medical condition that doesn't prove it was an attack waiting to happen because of the breed, as some would have us believe.

Problem is how do you educate people.

Sue
Very good post Sue,
The problem is not just educating owners it's also trying to educate those numpty policitions in government who refuse to listen to reason,until this happens and BSL/DDA is scraped dogs will continue to suffer and breeds will still be targeted as been "Dangerous" when this is not fact or indeed true.

I honestly don't know what the answer is,or how to stop this neglect and cruelty to dogs,it's very very sad.

Innocent family pets are murdered,for the way they look,it's outrageous
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Problem is how do you educate people.

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Thing is you can't no matter how many of us bleat on, people still don't listen and ultimately it's the dogs that suffer for it
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Re: Tyler's Story (Sad)

I understand what you are saying Sallyanne I did mean both joe public and politicians and you are right too Nicci.

I managed to get through the first post and I'm off for a coffee break.

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What a terrible and sad story. It must be awful for these owners to go through this and of course the poor dogs
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Re: Tyler's Story (Sad)

This subject infuriates me..

How can politicians/police etc that clearly know nothing about dogs, just decide a dog looks like a pitbull, so therefore must be a danger to society so therefore it must be taken away from its family, live in solitary confinement and then be killed?!

Seriously it's rediculous and barbaric
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damn that blooming horrible. i had tears in my eyes just reading it
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Old 20-07-2008, 05:18 PM
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Re: Tyler's Story (Sad)

This story has haunted the life out of me.

What are the owners rights in a situation where a policeman decides it looks like a dangerous breed or breed type.

Can a dog be seized today when the owner takes their dog for a walk. Would an owner know that a warrant is being sought.

Is it part of the legislation that the dog is returned to you after the verdict dead or alive or was that another blunder.

I only became aware of the DDA 3 years ago in the vets surgery waiting for Duke's first vaccination and BSL when I joined this forum. I didn't realise dogs were seized on a whim and to add insult to injury the dogs are not even given basic care.

I really feel I want to know where these torturous kennels are to name and shame the managers and staff.

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