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Old 17-12-2009, 02:39 PM
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Are Standard Poodles the unhealthiest dogs?

Here are some of the inherent illness in the SP trait.

Gastric dilation-volvulus (bloat). A sudden, life-threatening condition due to abnormal twisting of the stomach. Signs include dramatic abdominal distention (bloating), attempts to vomit (with nothing brought up), pain in the abdomen, weakness and collapse (shock).

Most breeds with deep chests narrowing to a slender waste have a predisposition to this condition. Bloat is seen in Great Danes, Grey Hounds, Dobermans and even Afghan Hounds. There is new evidence to infer that some times Bloat is familial. I would say that of the cases of bloat I have heard of spoken about the dogs seemed to be nervous in temperament, what I refer to as “worriers” and seem to often have separation anxiety. Another reason to super socialize your Standard puppy at a young age.

Things you can do to minimize bloat. Don’t feed or water your dog immediately after or before a period of exercise. Give at least an 1 ˝ hours after feeding before exercising. When your dog come in from a moderate exercise session don’t allow it to drink large amounts of water. Limit food and liquid intake for 1-2 hours after exercise. Feeding a higher quality food also seems to limit bloat. Foods approved by the Whole Dog Journal are my recommendation.

Juvenile Renal Disease in Standard Poodles. In standard poodles with JRD, symptoms can be noted as early as a few weeks after birth; and affected puppies are almost always symptomatic before two years of age. Puppies who are affected the parents of these puppies should not be bred together again. A sire or a bitch can have the recessive gene for JRD and if bred to a DIFFERENT dog may not produce a JRD puppy again. If the parents bred produce puppies with JRD consistently then in my opinion they should not be used for breeding again.

Early symptoms of juvenile renal disease include polydipsia, polyuria, and dilute urine which has little color or odor. Some affected puppies leak urine, many do not. Often a puppy owner's earliest complaint is about the difficulty of housebreaking a puppy later discovered to have JRD. The volume of water consumed, and, in some puppies, leakage of urine can make housebreaking a formidable task. As the disease progresses, vomiting, weight loss, anorexia, lethargy, and muscle weakness are seen. There is sometimes a chemical odor to the breath as a result of metabolic waste not being excreted by the kidneys.

This is a disease that is inherent and BOTH parents must contribute the gene to produce it.

Hip Dysplasia (OFA) OFA can screen any dog over the age of 2 for Hip Dysplasia. Have your vet x-ray the hips according to OFA regulations and mail the x-rays in to OFA. EVERY BREEDING ANIMAL MUST HAVE THIS! You will get a rating of Excellent, Good, Fair, Borderline, Mild, Moderate, Severe. Next info pulled from the OFA website: The hip grades of excellent, good and fair are within normal limits and are given OFA numbers. This information is accepted by AKC on dogs with permanent identification (tattoo, microchip) and is in the public domain. Radiographs of borderline, mild, moderate and severely dysplastic hip grades are reviewed by the OFA radiologist and a radiographic report is generated documenting the abnormal radiographic findings. Unless the owner has chosen the open database, dysplastic hip grades are closed to public information. Although OFA will not issue a number prior to age 2, you can get your dog preliminary x-rayed at 1 to determine what the hips are likely to look like. This is not set in stone, and should only be used as a guide. If your dog is fair to borderline, watch it closely over the next year and DO NOT use it for breeding unless it passes OFA at age 2. If it shows signs of HD at 1 year, it probably won't get a lot better with age, so Mild, Moderate, and Severe should probably be spayed in my opinion. Again, Taken from the OFA website: Preliminary evaluations can be performed after 4 to 5 months of age. OFA evaluations are about 90% accurate when compared to follow-ups of the same animal at 24 months of age. The reason to obtain preliminary status is to minimize the emotional and financial burden if the animal is found to have hip dysplasia.

PRA - Progressive Retinal Atrophy (and other eye disorders). You can and should have your poodle's eyes CERF'd by a Veterinary Ophthalmologists. The Canine Eye Registration Foundation (CERF) checks to see of any signs of eye problems are present at the time of testing. Because eye problems can develop over a short period of time, testing must be done YEARLY on all breeding animals.

Sebaceous Adenitis (SA) of the skin. This is a major problem in our breed. It is estimated that 50% of all Standard Poodles are carriers or affected. It is hard to ID and can be misdiagnosed as hypothyroidism, allergies, etc. All breeding animals should have a skin biopsy preformed by a veterinary YEARLY and sent to the Institute for Genetic Disease Control in Animals (GDC) for evaluation by a GDC approved veterinary pathologist. Currently, there is no cure. Help stamp out this problem by testing your poodle, be it pet or breeding animal. Visit the link on SA for more info on this problem.

Von Willebrand's disease (vWD) - is a bleeding disorder. This is a serious disease, but thankfully, it can now be tested for by VETGEN and completely prevented. A simple cheek swab can be sent to be DNA tested. You can clearly know whether your poodle is clear, carrier, or affected with this one simple test.

Thyroid Disease - generally, in dogs, we see Hypothyroidism as our main problem. This is an Autoimmune disease resulting in low production of the thyroid hormones L-thyroxine (T4) and triiodothyronine (T3). These two hormones control the rate of metabolism in mammals. Symptoms my include obesity, poor coat, hair loss, lethargy, heat seeking, skin problems, and infertility. This disease is treated with hormone therapy. Please visit the website for more info. Yes, this is GENETIC. Know your poos background before breeding or get tested every year!

Addison's Disease - Yet another autoimmune disease but this time of the adrenal glands. Addison's disease is defined as a substantial decrease in the production of cortisone and aldosterone by the adrenal glands. What does this mean to your dog? Well, a dog affected by this disease will become ill and then often better for a time. The illness is not easy to ID. It looks like a flu and the dog will often get better before the owner takes them to the vet. Please visit Addison's Disease - "What is Addison's Disease" - for more info on this disorder.
Personally, I don't think I would risk having one.
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Re: Are Standard Poodles the unhealthiest dogs?

The number of different afflictions is not as relevent as severity and, most importantly, frequency of affliction.

According to the Pullman site Standard Poodle longevity is on the wane but still better than a number of breeds of comparable weight.

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Personally, I wouldn't be too concerned.
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Re: Are Standard Poodles the unhealthiest dogs?

Each to their own - the reason for forums. I know 11 people with Poodles and sadly every one of them has at least one serious health issue. What dog do you have... or don't you?
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Re: Are Standard Poodles the unhealthiest dogs?

My standard poodle cross has PRA. It's not anything major yet but he will get worse in the next few years. Wouldn't put me off adopting another Standard Poodle or cross again, the benefits of owning one outweigh the health risks, absolutely fabulous dogs and the most fun dog I've ever owned...personality they do not lack!!!
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Re: Are Standard Poodles the unhealthiest dogs?

Our Labradoodle Ruby is more of a SP than Labrador in her temperament; very intelligent, wilful, stubborn and devious - her personality can be frustrating but she is lovely - Dyson our Goldendoodle shows no sign of Poodle in him whatsoever... luckily neither have inherited any of the aforesaid conditions.
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Re: Are Standard Poodles the unhealthiest dogs?

Many breeds and their crosses can develop these and different diseases - this is why it is so important to health tests the breeding dog and bitch - and why it is so important to ensure this has been done if getting a puppy.

Health/DNA tests etc cannot remove the risk of all of these things, but more and more tests are becoming available for breeders to make use of to hopefully breed out some of the more concerning diseases. The DNA tests are particularly useful and accurate as they can tell you for sure that the litter will not be affected/carriers etc.
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Our Labradoodle Ruby is more of a SP than Labrador in her temperament; very intelligent, wilful, stubborn and devious - her personality can be frustrating but she is lovely - Dyson our Goldendoodle shows no sign of Poodle in him whatsoever... luckily neither have inherited any of the aforesaid conditions.
Ahh see Sidney has the intelligence coupled with the completely nutty brainless dizziness you get with SP's but as he's crossed with Bedlington he also has the cuddles and adoring side too!! I honestly would clone this dog if I could, he's just fabulous. (Do you get the idea I adore him???)

Glad your's are both healthy, Sidney is otherwise extreamly fit and we certainly won't let his eye sight become an issue.

Just to clear up though my dogs are all rescues so obviously health checks etc are all well and good but for those of us who take on rescues we learn to deal with whatever issues they come with. Wouldn't change him for all the tea in china though.
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Re: Are Standard Poodles the unhealthiest dogs?

Ruby came from a decent breeder who health checked and although Dyson came from CPI I have his pedigree details and family tree and health tests which were all clear... bless Sidney with his eye problems. I know a few Bedlington crosses and they're adorable naturesx
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Just to clear up though my dogs are all rescues so obviously health checks etc are all well and good but for those of us who take on rescues we learn to deal with whatever issues they come with. Wouldn't change him for all the tea in china though.
Ah yep of course, I meant to say that actually in my post - when taking on a rescue you accept whatever comes with them and have to be willing to deal with any of these things that come along as best you can and good on you for that!
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Re: Are Standard Poodles the unhealthiest dogs?

There are numerous breeds that have that many health problems. The Dobermann is equally unhealthy as a whole breed, in my opinion.

Dilated Cardiomyopathy, PHPv, PRA, Hip Dysplasia, Bloat, vWD, Copper Toxicosis/Cronic Active Hepatits (liver), Wobbler's Syndrome/Cervical Vertebrael instability, Colour Dilution Alopecia, Albinism, Hypothyroidism...This list goes on forever..

The only way to eliminate these disorders is for responsible breeders who health test and only breed healthy stock to be the ONLY one's breeding at all. Many hard-working people are acting as advocates for breeds that they want to see flourish and prosper. I personally advocate by letting anyone who wants to learn question me about responsible breeders, health problems, etc about the breeds I'm interested.

I try to point potential puppy buyers in the right direction. For every person I point to a reputable breeder, a greeder loses a sale. Its a very small difference that I'm making, but I am still making a difference!!!
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