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Re: Are Standard Poodles the unhealthiest dogs?

Dalmations are also notoriously problematic.
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Re: Are Standard Poodles the unhealthiest dogs?

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Here are some of the inherent illness in the SP trait.

Gastric dilation-volvulus (bloat). A sudden, life-threatening condition due to abnormal twisting of the stomach. Signs include dramatic abdominal distention (bloating), attempts to vomit (with nothing brought up), pain in the abdomen, weakness and collapse (shock).

Most breeds with deep chests narrowing to a slender waste have a predisposition to this condition. Bloat is seen in Great Danes, Grey Hounds, Dobermans and even Afghan Hounds. There is new evidence to infer that some times Bloat is familial. I would say that of the cases of bloat I have heard of spoken about the dogs seemed to be nervous in temperament, what I refer to as “worriers” and seem to often have separation anxiety. Another reason to super socialize your Standard puppy at a young age.

Things you can do to minimize bloat. Don’t feed or water your dog immediately after or before a period of exercise. Give at least an 1 ˝ hours after feeding before exercising. When your dog come in from a moderate exercise session don’t allow it to drink large amounts of water. Limit food and liquid intake for 1-2 hours after exercise. Feeding a higher quality food also seems to limit bloat. Foods approved by the Whole Dog Journal are my recommendation.

Juvenile Renal Disease in Standard Poodles. In standard poodles with JRD, symptoms can be noted as early as a few weeks after birth; and affected puppies are almost always symptomatic before two years of age. Puppies who are affected the parents of these puppies should not be bred together again. A sire or a bitch can have the recessive gene for JRD and if bred to a DIFFERENT dog may not produce a JRD puppy again. If the parents bred produce puppies with JRD consistently then in my opinion they should not be used for breeding again.

Early symptoms of juvenile renal disease include polydipsia, polyuria, and dilute urine which has little color or odor. Some affected puppies leak urine, many do not. Often a puppy owner's earliest complaint is about the difficulty of housebreaking a puppy later discovered to have JRD. The volume of water consumed, and, in some puppies, leakage of urine can make housebreaking a formidable task. As the disease progresses, vomiting, weight loss, anorexia, lethargy, and muscle weakness are seen. There is sometimes a chemical odor to the breath as a result of metabolic waste not being excreted by the kidneys.

This is a disease that is inherent and BOTH parents must contribute the gene to produce it.

Hip Dysplasia (OFA) OFA can screen any dog over the age of 2 for Hip Dysplasia. Have your vet x-ray the hips according to OFA regulations and mail the x-rays in to OFA. EVERY BREEDING ANIMAL MUST HAVE THIS! You will get a rating of Excellent, Good, Fair, Borderline, Mild, Moderate, Severe. Next info pulled from the OFA website: The hip grades of excellent, good and fair are within normal limits and are given OFA numbers. This information is accepted by AKC on dogs with permanent identification (tattoo, microchip) and is in the public domain. Radiographs of borderline, mild, moderate and severely dysplastic hip grades are reviewed by the OFA radiologist and a radiographic report is generated documenting the abnormal radiographic findings. Unless the owner has chosen the open database, dysplastic hip grades are closed to public information. Although OFA will not issue a number prior to age 2, you can get your dog preliminary x-rayed at 1 to determine what the hips are likely to look like. This is not set in stone, and should only be used as a guide. If your dog is fair to borderline, watch it closely over the next year and DO NOT use it for breeding unless it passes OFA at age 2. If it shows signs of HD at 1 year, it probably won't get a lot better with age, so Mild, Moderate, and Severe should probably be spayed in my opinion. Again, Taken from the OFA website: Preliminary evaluations can be performed after 4 to 5 months of age. OFA evaluations are about 90% accurate when compared to follow-ups of the same animal at 24 months of age. The reason to obtain preliminary status is to minimize the emotional and financial burden if the animal is found to have hip dysplasia.

PRA - Progressive Retinal Atrophy (and other eye disorders). You can and should have your poodle's eyes CERF'd by a Veterinary Ophthalmologists. The Canine Eye Registration Foundation (CERF) checks to see of any signs of eye problems are present at the time of testing. Because eye problems can develop over a short period of time, testing must be done YEARLY on all breeding animals.

Sebaceous Adenitis (SA) of the skin. This is a major problem in our breed. It is estimated that 50% of all Standard Poodles are carriers or affected. It is hard to ID and can be misdiagnosed as hypothyroidism, allergies, etc. All breeding animals should have a skin biopsy preformed by a veterinary YEARLY and sent to the Institute for Genetic Disease Control in Animals (GDC) for evaluation by a GDC approved veterinary pathologist. Currently, there is no cure. Help stamp out this problem by testing your poodle, be it pet or breeding animal. Visit the link on SA for more info on this problem.

Von Willebrand's disease (vWD) - is a bleeding disorder. This is a serious disease, but thankfully, it can now be tested for by VETGEN and completely prevented. A simple cheek swab can be sent to be DNA tested. You can clearly know whether your poodle is clear, carrier, or affected with this one simple test.

Thyroid Disease - generally, in dogs, we see Hypothyroidism as our main problem. This is an Autoimmune disease resulting in low production of the thyroid hormones L-thyroxine (T4) and triiodothyronine (T3). These two hormones control the rate of metabolism in mammals. Symptoms my include obesity, poor coat, hair loss, lethargy, heat seeking, skin problems, and infertility. This disease is treated with hormone therapy. Please visit the website for more info. Yes, this is GENETIC. Know your poos background before breeding or get tested every year!

Addison's Disease - Yet another autoimmune disease but this time of the adrenal glands. Addison's disease is defined as a substantial decrease in the production of cortisone and aldosterone by the adrenal glands. What does this mean to your dog? Well, a dog affected by this disease will become ill and then often better for a time. The illness is not easy to ID. It looks like a flu and the dog will often get better before the owner takes them to the vet. Please visit Addison's Disease - "What is Addison's Disease" - for more info on this disorder.
Personally, I don't think I would risk having one.
I would have thought that the Standard poodle were quite a healthy dog as it happens, I think many of the diseases/complaints you have listed are applicable to ALL or cetainly to most dogs.

Assuming that the poodle has been breed by a reponsible breeder none of the complaints you have listed would give me any reason for undue concern..
Obviously checking any revelvant health tests applying to the breed is down to the purchaser.
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Re: Are Standard Poodles the unhealthiest dogs?

Any poodles apart from young show ones that I know are all well into their 14,15,16,17's (including standard poodles) and a few are deaf or blind but that's just with age. All are from health tested lines and more than healthy. Personaly I think poodles are one of the healthiest breeds now the PRA etc has been sorted out. I'm only talking about show breeders who health test not pet breeders etc.
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Re: Are Standard Poodles the unhealthiest dogs?

I find standard poodles have good health and fantastic temperaments. They are loving, intelligent, easily trained and make fabulous family pets. Not sure what ones those that are dissing the temperament have been in contact with. They can suffer with false entropion so might need their eyes bathed. My old one died aged 12 and a half from bone cancer. My younger one is now nearly 12 and has been suffering with a bit of pain in her hips for the last few months, as will many individuals from any large breed.
I am not quite sure what the OP is trying to get at. I dont think any of those problems are limited to standard poodles. Bloat can happen with any big, deep chested dog and is not something I have even thought of with mine and the other problems are general dog problems too.

If you take labs, who are one of the most popular breeds - how many do you see that are still fit and healthy at 12 years old. Most are very arthritic and got cataracts and many have suffered with their hips for years.
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Re: Are Standard Poodles the unhealthiest dogs?

AS OP I am not getting at anything. This was just an observation!
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Re: Are Standard Poodles the unhealthiest dogs?

I didn't see anyone 'dissing???' poodles temperments?

The OP was making an observation about her (part) breed of choice and having an interesting discussion about our general observations about OUR dogs. Why does everything have to be about someone 'dissing' (whatever that means) a breed on this forum.
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Re: Are Standard Poodles the unhealthiest dogs?

I certainly wasn't "Dissing?????" anyone's choice particularly - I was just asking if the breed was the worst health wise as IMO I find it appalling that these poor dogs seem to have more than their fair share of health problems. Nothing to do with the dogs we choose to own or not. It was nothing personal against anyone in particular or their choice of dog.. I for one am not so low and have more respect for peoples' choices.
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Re: Are Standard Poodles the unhealthiest dogs?

IMHO SP's are far from the unhealthiest breed around, look into any breed, and you'll get a list of "potential" conditions as long as your arm, but start to look at the prevelence of dogs with them, and in most breeds it's very few. However, go research into Bulldogs, sharpeis, pugs, dobermans to name a few and you'll see the real picture!!!

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Re: Are Standard Poodles the unhealthiest dogs?

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IMHO SP's are far from the unhealthiest breed around, look into any breed, and you'll get a list of "potential" conditions as long as your arm, but start to look at the prevelence of dogs with them, and in most breeds it's very few. However, go research into Bulldogs, sharpeis, pugs, dobermans to name a few and you'll see the real picture!!!

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Frequency and severity of affliction are more, far more, important than range of afflictions.
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