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Old 11-05-2008, 07:03 AM
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Re: Dog bites my dog

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However I am curious about allot of members referring to the dogs being “under control” which as I understand from posts means on a lead. As far as I can see this has no effect on liability for negligence at all and since this is the action a person would peruse to obtain damages in the circumstances I don't see what part it could or would play.

Perhaps a knowledgeable member could clarify where this is comming from?

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Is it fair to say that if a dog is on a lead it cant run upto another dog and cause a fight!? nor can it knock over an old lady or child!
Is it also fact that if a dog is on a lead it cannot run into the road and cause an accident!
It is also fact that if a dog is on a lead it is under reasonable 'control'!

Happy to clarify that for you.
Bullbreeds has stated the correct!
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:48 PM
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Hi,

Thank you all for your concerns.

As Dillon is a border collie there is no way on Earth he can handle being confined to the big brick kennel nor it's grassy extension for a day let alone two. To get around the issue I went out yesterday morning first thing and purchased a harness for him so that it doesn't rub his wounds and make them any worse.

On my return from the shop he was duly packaged into the harness with little resistance but did however try to eat his way out after a few minutes. He got used to the idea very quickly when he realised that his new suite meant "walkies".

We ventured along the canal and into some adjacent woodland, around the paths and then back along the opposite canal bank to home.

On our travels we encountered no less then ten dogs and apart from an uncharacteristic growl at one dog which after correction was forgotten about he greeted all of the other dogs with his usual wagging tail, playful posture and active nose.

As far as I can see there has been no psychological effects and he's taken it all in his stride.

He's taking his two prescription anti-biotics a day with zest (wrapped up a slice of ham) and the wounds are healing amazingly quickly.

I did feel as though when people saw his wounds that they were wondering if I had caused them but what do I care, I have my bouncy collie back and I am sure he appreciates what the vet did for him.
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:59 PM
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Hi,

Thank you all for your concerns.

As Dillon is a border collie there is no way on Earth he can handle being confined to the big brick kennel nor it's grassy extension for a day let alone two. To get around the issue I went out yesterday morning first thing and purchased a harness for him so that it doesn't rub his wounds and make them any worse.

On my return from the shop he was duly packaged into the harness with little resistance but did however try to eat his way out after a few minutes. He got used to the idea very quickly when he realised that his new suite meant "walkies".

We ventured along the canal and into some adjacent woodland, around the paths and then back along the opposite canal bank to home.

On our travels we encountered no less then ten dogs and apart from an uncharacteristic growl at one dog which after correction was forgotten about he greeted all of the other dogs with his usual wagging tail, playful posture and active nose.

As far as I can see there has been no psychological effects and he's taken it all in his stride.

He's taking his two prescription anti-biotics a day with zest (wrapped up a slice of ham) and the wounds are healing amazingly quickly.

I did feel as though when people saw his wounds that they were wondering if I had caused them but what do I care, I have my bouncy collie back and I am sure he appreciates what the vet did for him.
Im glad your dogs wounds are healing nicely and he's had no lasting affects.
I know no-one on here would wish that on any animal and im sure no-one sees you to blame, but, with ownership of any animal comes the responsibility to keep it healthy and safe.
All iam saying is that for me it would be a lesson learned and I would not take that risk again if I thought I would encounter other dogs whilst out walking.
If you were to keep yours on a lead then you could not be liable for anything as you would be seen as having reasonable control over your dog.
I see nothing wrong in letting dogs socialise and play together but once they have met under control and both owners are sure they get along. The risk is still there of course but you wouldnt have gone into the situation blind folded so to speak.
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Im glad your dogs wounds are healing nicely and he's had no lasting affects.
I know no-one on here would wish that on any animal and im sure no-one sees you to blame, but, with ownership of any animal comes the responsibility to keep it healthy and safe.
All iam saying is that for me it would be a lesson learned and I would not take that risk again if I thought I would encounter other dogs whilst out walking.
If you were to keep yours on a lead then you could not be liable for anything as you would be seen as having reasonable control over your dog.
I see nothing wrong in letting dogs socialise and play together but once they have met under control and both owners are sure they get along. The risk is still there of course but you wouldnt have gone into the situation blind folded so to speak.
Good post I agree with that.

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Re: Dillon News

In my experience dogs are far more likely to get along if introduced off the lead than on. Leads act as a barrier but not always a good one.

I would rather take the "risk" of my dogs being off lead and allowed to be dogs than restrict them to a lead which in my opinion only encourages frustration and anxiety which leads to aggression.
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Re: Dillon News

same here some dogs are more aggressive on the lead but find off the lead.

like a few dogs i know they go ape when on the lead, barking, growling. but off they are big softies love playing and saying hello to everyone and dogs.
when some dogs are on the the lead they feel vulnerable so start barking and growling going potty.
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But the point is if they were on leads you could easily part them if they did start fighting.

Having been around powerfull breeds all my life I have whitnessed first hand the extensive damage some dogs can do and its not a risk im willing to take.

If 2 dogs all be it male or female are intent on standing their ground then you have no way of parting them until the winner wants to let go and by then one of them might be dead!

But if people are willing to take the risk then let them get on with it.
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But the point is if they were on leads you could easily part them if they did start fighting.

Having been around powerfull breeds all my life I have whitnessed first hand the extensive damage some dogs can do and its not a risk im willing to take.

If 2 dogs all be it male or female are intent on standing their ground then you have no way of parting them until the winner wants to let go and by then one of them might be dead!

But if people are willing to take the risk then let them get on with it.
Totally agree,again owning SBT's not a risk I'm prepared to take,mine do stand there ground,there not a breed to back down and they can do an incredable amount of damage in a short time, and they will fight to the death.
I'm not prepared to let this happen,nor another persons dog get injured or a person trying to part them for that matter.
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Re: Dog bites my dog

Got to agree with Bullbreeds and Sallyanne.

I get abuse when my dog is on the leash and is approached by a loose dog if the outcome has not been friendly, apparently its my fault for having a dangerous dog.

If he were off the leash I dread to think.

I am quite fortunately if the other dog is friendly Duke will play if not Duke will roll his sleeves up. I won't compromise his safety nor mine by letting him off the leash to greet unknown dogs.

If you can hand on heart say your dog off leash will not approach a dog on a leash then thats fine.

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Old 12-05-2008, 01:00 AM
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Re: Dog bites my dog

In my opinion and the ethos I've lived my doggy life by .... if my dog, off a leash approaches a dog before I can get to him wiht the lead, gets told what's what by a dog on a lead, I certainly wouldn't have a go at the owner. After all, their dog is on a lead and mine isn't. If anything they learn from such instances.

I am worried about the tone of the responses to this thread though, as in it is better having a dog on a lead?? what happened to dogs being dogs and just enjoying themselves out on a walk? I know people's situations are different, but can I summise that everyone walks their dogs in parks? we are out in the countryside and seldom meet other dogs, so having an active dog on the lead would be purely criminal.... especially as he is non agressive.

I am speaking from having had a dog who rode out with me with my horse and met all kinds of dogs and if they were aggresssive would just move away. He LOVED his time out with the horses and it certainly enriched his life. I hate to think of his life on a lead and having many rules and regulations put upon him. After all.. dogs are dogs and they will just sort it out. It's us humans who are the problem.... it's our fears, our worries about being sued, our worries about our animals that we pass onto them....?

We met a woman out hacking with about 7 rabbit like small dogs. I was cantering, dog out front. heard lots of yapping round a corner (dog went first) and asked pone and dog to stop (middle of nowhere I might add). She took ages to gather up her flipping dogs whilst mine sat by the horse quietly. She told me I shouldn't have my devil dog out.... then she saw he was better behaved than her dogs which she couldn't control. He didn't touch her dogs... one had been attacked by a black lab before, but mine was an angel and ignored her dogs so she apologised finally, when her panic ceased..

Have very little patience for such people (her dogs were non agressive, but she'd pushed her own worries onto them.....? if my dog had been allowed to just sniff and run by them it would have been fine). She obviously couldn't control 7 dogs, yet tried to blame me? then again, we are in Surrey
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