ok guys.. bit of a complicated story.. but cutting it short we used our Siberian Husky as a stud just over 3 weeks ago now ( first timers). The lass who owns the bitch told me that the dog was in season and wanted to mate her but she wasn't being paid for just over a week or so after the mating and could I hold on til she got that months wage. I agreed (I know the lass.. lives locally)
Anyway.. two matings took place and they tied both times.
we agreed a fee before hand and her payday has been and gone and i've only recieved 1/3 of the money asked for so far. I've sent her a few texts.. but each time she keeps putting me off. I've already told her that if the bitch doesn't take that she can have a free mating next time.. she was happy with this... so surely my entire fee should have been paid by now.. but she's saying that I won't get any more til she finds out if the bitch is pregnant or has pups! is this right????
I've checked the encyclopedia part of the forum and it says that the bitches owner should pay the fee after the mating.
The other thing is that we've also found out ( after the mating) that her dog has also been used outside of restrictions!
ok so we should have checked before hand ... but this is the first time we've studded the dog.. so not sure what should be happening.. help !!!!

She should have been paying for a service,whether or not her bitch produces pups is irrelavent.If things had been done properly a stud contract should have been signed,stating she was paying for the services of the stud not pups produced.

Are these pups going to be KC Registered?

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from what I can see/understand, they can't be registered as she used her bitch outside the restrictions placed on the dog?
But I certainly won't be giving her any information off the pedigree on my dog!

her father breeds dogs.. so I'm presuming her information is coming from him??
but she said that the fee should be held back until the bitch is known to be pregnant or has the puppies.

We have signed nothing to agree to anything really.. so is it just my word against hers.. or is there a legal route I can go down to make her pay up?
At the end of the day, i've had 1/3 of the fee so far.

I guess it's going to have to go down as lesson learned..I'm sure the money will come to me eventually.. but there is no way she's going to get a free go next time round if the bitch isn't pregnant!

Hi there, when we stud our dog out if they tie then a stud fee is payable at that time. Never take anyones word that payment will follow. If the bitch doesnt get pregnant then offer a free stud on next season. The stud fee should always be paid on day of mating. Did you exchange pedigrees?

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It seems little care and very little thought has gone into this mating,we get bitch owners to sign a contract for the service of the dog,not what pups he may or maynot produce.The stud fee is paid at the time of the mating.

There is very little you can do,taking the legal route would not go very far I suspect as it was a verbal contract and nothing in writing.Did you not think to look at the bitches paperwork to see if there were any endorsements/restrictons placed,again this is something we insist on seeing plus all the health certificates if there not on the KC documentation.

I suspect the breeder of the bitch wouldn't be happy knowing that the bitch has been mated having placed endorsements,you could always ask for the breeders name and let her know what's happened,if it were me I would want to know.
If not put it down to experience and hopefully a harsh lesson learn't.
There is a right and wrong way to breed and in all honesty this isn't a good start.

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Here here. Wellsaid.

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I do accept that we were very quick rushing into this, although I had looked at a little research on the net beforehand as we had been thinking about studding our dog for a short time.. it's just this opportunity arose so quicky.. yes I accept it was a stupid decision and I have learned my lesson

basically I just wanted confirmation as to when a stud fee should be paid

thank you all for your input... like I said.. it's the first time that we've entered into this, but next time.. I will draw up a stud contract and seek out more advice. but everyone has to start somewhere don't they??

Thanks guys x

Everyone does have to start somewhere but Not like this,If I were the Breeder of the bitch I would be furious,if this breeder has an affix/kennel name and any pups end up going thrugh rescue it's her reputation on the line through ignorance of the owner of the dog,not to mention all her time and effort put into breeding good examples of the breed,the bitch was endorsed probably with good reason,this should have been explained and written out and under what terms the endorsement would have been lifted.

I forgot to add to my other post owners of the stud dog usually offer a free first mating until the dog is proven.
Can I ask if any of these pups need rehoming would you be able to help,or have them living with you if the breeder can't take them back,till a suitable home is found?

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yes ..i would have no problem in being able to help/give them a home if it became neccessary.