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View Poll Results: Do you think tail docking is wrong!
Tail docking is wrong! Glad it's been banned! 85 55.19%
I dont think tail docking is wrong. 44 28.57%
I'm on the fence! 25 16.23%
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Old 02-06-2009, 04:32 PM
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It's not anything like that I feel like you've completely twisted my words when all I did was make an example.

No wonder people feel afraid to voice their opinions on here if this is what happens.
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My mother has a GSD/Doberman with a GSD tail. It's massive and she hurts herself and others. In her case I think it would have been better if her tail had been docked
How have i twisted anything?

Im sorry if i have caused offence, but that is how i read your post.
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Old 02-06-2009, 04:35 PM
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How have i twisted anything?

Im sorry if i have caused offence, but that is how i read your post.
I only wanted to point out the fact that she was hurting herself, so perhaps it would have been better if her tail had been docked. I don't understand why you tried to compare it to declawing which I do not agree with whatsoever

I'm sorry if I took your post in the wrong way, there are a lot of emotions running high here and I think it's time I step away before I'm dragged into even more x
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Old 02-06-2009, 04:42 PM
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I only wanted to point out the fact that she was hurting herself, so perhaps it would have been better if her tail had been docked. I don't understand why you tried to compare it to declawing which I do not agree with whatsoever

I'm sorry if I took your post in the wrong way, there are a lot of emotions running high here and I think it's time I step away before I'm dragged into even more x
Dont do that, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I have misread your post, i thought you meant the tail was hurting your mother, not the actual dog. My fault, not yours.

Was it very bad damage? A greyhound i used to look after loved to stand in the doorway and wag his tail. He ended up having a few inches amputated. I also know someone with a SBT mix who did the same. Tails bleed like no tomorrow, even from the smallest of wounds, but they also dont heal well because of the constant movement and the fact they hit everything with them.

Maybe it would have been better for your mums dog to be docked, but theres no way of forseeing the future and knowing if, and what, damage a dog is going to do. Its just one of those things you have to deal with, should a problem arise.

Again, i apologise if i have upset you.
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Old 02-06-2009, 04:47 PM
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Dont do that, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I have misread your post, i thought you meant the tail was hurting your mother, not the actual dog. My fault, not yours.

Was it very bad damage? A greyhound i used to look after loved to stand in the doorway and wag his tail. He ended up having a few inches amputated. I also know someone with a SBT mix who did the same. Tails bleed like no tomorrow, even from the smallest of wounds, but they also dont heal well because of the constant movement and the fact they hit everything with them.

Maybe it would have been better for your mums dog to be docked, but theres no way of forseeing the future and knowing if, and what, damage a dog is going to do. Its just one of those things you have to deal with, should a problem arise.

Again, i apologise if i have upset you.
That's okay I blame the heat for getting me so worked up

I'll have to get a photo but Sheba's tail is quite thick and very long (if Dobermans had longer tails maybe that's what it would be like?). She often whacks herself in the face or will get it caught in something. Thankfully there hasn't been too much damage!

I'll pass the advice on to my mother, she's disabled and she might feel amputating a few inches would be the best thing to do for everyone involved.
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Re: Tail Docking!

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Ooh ffs take it to the extreme why dont you
this topic is about dogs tails not babies fingers

no i didnt monitor their stress levels i was there when it was done the mother of the pups was there when it was done & she didnt show any signs of concern or aggression towards the vet so in my mind no harm was done .

its all about peoples preferences & i personaly think that certain breeds look better without a tail,

so if my opinion isn't yours well so be it ..
BY making a polemical argument I was hoping to put your views into a different context and get you to think about them more deeply than you seem to have done so far. But when you come back and say 'its all about people's preferences' I see there is no point. You clearly see dogs as commodities to be altered or mutilated to suit your aesthetic.
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BY making a polemical argument I was hoping to put your views into a different context and get you to think about them more deeply than you seem to have done so far. But when you come back and say 'its all about people's preferences' I see there is no point. You clearly see dogs as commodities to be altered or mutilated to suit your aesthetic.
I brought my working springer and cocker with thier tail's docked so they don't get mutilated. this thread seem's to have gone away from tail docking anyway.
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Old 04-06-2009, 10:25 AM
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Re: Tail Docking!

Meaning of Mutilate:-
To deprive of a limb or an essential part; cripple.
To disfigure by damaging irreparably: mutilate a statue.
To make imperfect by excising or altering parts.

Ipso facto - docking = mutilation
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Old 04-06-2009, 10:55 AM
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Meaning of Mutilate:-
To deprive of a limb or an essential part; cripple.
To disfigure by damaging irreparably: mutilate a statue.
To make imperfect by excising or altering parts.

Ipso facto - docking = mutilation
Agreed!!

I am very happy docking has been banned as far as pets are concerned. I cannot comment on working dogs as I dont know enough to have much of a view on this. It seems that there may be very good reason for docking the working ones.

Otherwise for pets whats the point of mutilating them? Tails are important for balance and socialisation (effective communication with fellow dogs), which is a particularly important thing for breeds like rottie I would think.
I am delighted that rotties are gonna get their tail back LOL and I will one day get one with a full tail, which is how they should always have been (as pets)!!
And as it has been pointed out; those that dont like the look of it; well tough! lol
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Old 04-06-2009, 11:05 AM
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Re: Tail Docking!

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'...... It is well recognised in women that the risk of developing genuine stress incontinence (GSI) is related to pelvic floor muscle damage during labour. In the bitch the equivalent 'pelvic floor' muscles are the levator ani and coccygeus muscles both of which attach to the tail base, and it is possible that these muscles are atrophied and/or damaged in docked breeds reducing urethral resistance. A similar relationship may exist between tail docking and submissive urinary incontinence in puppies.Holt and Thrusfield (1993)......'
reference: Cosmetic Tail Docking of Dogs’ Tails. Robert K Wansbrough

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