i agree........

yes I think so.. none of us have changed our opinions and are all sticking by our own so..

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I have found this thread really interesting.
As most of you do not work your dogs or have any contact with working dogs, I find it very refreshing that the majority can see the benifite to the working spaniel.
I am so glad I joined this forum, because in general, people here seem to take on board others opinions and come up with a balanced view

Trouble with me Janice - I keep falling off the bl**fdy fing!
lol
Babe

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If you read my explaination above I feel as though I have put it is the nicest possibble way sometimes when people do not know about things they see it as cruel - I myself have been guilty of such. I remember when I was about 13 we had a very old dog - it was dying and mum and dad made the final decision to end her pain and had her PTS - To me - that was cruel - and I called my mum the Murderer for months afterwards - now having been in that situation myself I understand what she did was best for the dog and not for herself.

Even earlier then that 1960 We had (the first dog I can remember) a dog called Trixie - she was a border cross lovely little thing, we lived on the old A46 which is now the A1 - we did have a large secure garden - but one morning at 7.30am ish the postie called - and left the gate ajar - the dog got out and was hit by a hoveringham lorry - her injuries were horrific - I can hear that dog screaming now - Obviously a mere child I was taken indoors - it was in the days when we didn't have cars at hand, we were in the country, and vets were not so available as they are today. To cut a long story short the farmer shot the dog - to put it out of it's misery. Obviously - as - I said earlier the injuries were horrific - but as a child I could not see them - all I could see was my dog lying in the road .

I hope I have not upset anyone with this - it is not my intention I have taken it to the extreme and I know it has no relevance on this thread - just trying to demonstrate that sometimes we have to be cruel to be kind.

I am now going to take my own advice and not pot on this thread anymore.
love to you all
regards
DT

By the way Rona - don't know why I bothered quoting you - ift was initially my intention to agree with you
all the best - andpleased you hae joined the forum

I have to say, regardless of wether I think routine docking looks good, or is cruel, I am glad to see docking banned.

Sure, everyone on here is probably a very responsible dog owner. In an ideal world, you'd be able to choose wether or not you want to get your dog docked or not - its your animal, your preference. You'd get it done properly and professionally with minimal harm/pain done. Or, you'd keep your dog whole and as much 'as nature intended' as can be for a domestic animal.

Unfortunately, this world is so far from an ideal world its unfunny. In reality, there are swathes of irresponsible ****heads on this planet who do things like trying to home-dock tails using razorblades under unclean conditions with puppies bleeding to death, getting infections, being left with no control over their bowels and a lifetime of pain or discomfort. I personally know of a patterdale dog who's tail was home-docked by some plebhead, it now causes him some discomfort and he will not let anyone touch it.

It is unfortunate, but the few ruin it for the majority all over, its nothing new. Personally, I think its 'take one for the team' by not having the option of tail docking. Purely for the fact that no number of good-looking, well-docked dogs would EVER make up for the magnitude of suffering experienced by the few who are mutilated and tortured before being a week old by that proportion of the human population who really could do with being shot. True, there should have just been better legislation, greater penalties and better enforcement to prevent idiots from docking tails in retarded ways and punish those who have, but this is better than nothing in my opinion.

Nina passes the savlon to Janice

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