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Old 09-06-2011, 10:33 PM
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Lightbulb Lennox, sheesh; Labs as biters; potentially vs genuinely-dangerous

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Well all i see is narrow minded idiots commenting on this breed when they have no experience
with this breed nor have they [ever?] seen one!!!
ppl who make comments about something they [know] f88k-all about give these stupid [DDA-]laws [more?] standing!!
please take a look at the SaveLennox.co.uk
Lennox is quite a complex case -
* the owners BOUGHT A PUP knowing he would resemble 'type' as an adult.

* when the dog-wardens came to their home [wrong address], rather than be polite & reasonable,
they bragged & threatened that he - Lennox! - would 'eat them alive' or some such &$%#@.
either the dog IS A FRIENDLY PET - or he's Not. They portrayed him as Not.

* the dog, predictably, was taken. Suddenly they are shouting from the rooftops how unfair this is!
if they had said, 'he's a dear sweet dog & we've never had a moment's worry with him, the neighbors
think he's wonderful & he has his KC-Gold thru the training-club...'
, the event might have been
a NON-event; their own pugnacious, rude behavior condemned their own dog.


* Lennox was offered sanctuary in the south - & they said, No, thanks.
if their only concern was their darling dog's safety, why would they not say Yes! Please!...

* then suddenly Lennox is a 'therapy dog' for their [12-YO? i think] daughter.
i swear, his dog has more careers than most people; he was a loving pet, then a homicidal maniac,
then a loving pet languishing in kennels torn from his family , & now he's a miracle-worker
who is the prop & support of a child... Funny, how they never mentioned this when they said, he'll kill ya'...

* they're collecting $$$$$$... for what? who oversees the disbursement?
up-front collections for charity are holding-accounts for vet-fees, or a trust which is run
by trustees with accounting that is transparent & public - Who are the trustees? What is the sum for?
Where has it been spent, so far? If it's legal fees, where is the accounting?

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we all know the [DDA] is garbage and needs serious overhaul, any dog has potential
to be a dangrous creature in the wrong hands. all breeds should be allowed yet the owner found to be abusing
the animal or being trained in a dangrous manner should be banned from owning [a] dog[,] period.
yes, i agree that banning problematic owners from owning or training or even caring for dogs in future,
once they've shown their irresponsible behavior with one or more dogs, would be good.

banning those convicted of cruelty from living with or sharing their home with pets would also
IMO be good & proactive - but it's rare to get such a ruling in the USA.
even people who've set dogs afire or tortured them, are not banned from owning pets, in most cases.
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i have seen seen a few [Dogos] grow into fab pets who live around babies and young children and other animals.
i've met quite a few - i would not recommend them to novice owners, nor to the average pet-dog owner
with young kids, cats, pocket-pets, bunnies, etc - NOR to an elderly or unfit or disabled wannabe-owner.

Dogos are often predatory, tend to be stranger-aggro, need firm, kind training & LOADS of socialization thru
their 2nd-year, just like any other guarding-breed - then continued maintenance of that socialization.
most pet-dog owners aren't interested in meeting those standards.
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[Labradors] are not a banned dog & [are] the number-1 pet [dog-breed] in the UK!!
so [it's OK] that owners can train these large dogs easily... to attack, its OK it's not [illegal]...
as a trainer, i can say with assurance that i could get a reliable biting performance from a JRT,
MinPin or Chihuahua, a Doxie or many working-bred BCs, rather than from a Labrador - Labs are prone to mouth,
not bite with force sufficient to break skin unless provoked. Most Labs are not aggro dogs - there are some,
of course, but they are pretty rare, & often it's other dogs they have an attitude about, not people.

i'd go thru a large number of candidate-Labs to find one that would reliably bite WITHOUT good reason.

conversely, it would not be hard to find a biting-Dogo, or a biting-GSD, or a biting-Akita, IME.

any large breed can be a dangerous animal to an adult-human; any dog can be dangerous to an infant,
whatever the size; the critical thing is *not* 'can this dog bite?...' as all dogs CAN bite;
it is, 'what would cause this dog to bite with force?'

how easily a dog is provoked to bite with force & by whom, under any set of circs, is the critical info.
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Post Re: one of my relatives just brought a Dogo Argentino!!!

hi ,on studying the pictures you have posted i just thought i should mention that the sire (father) does look like a full breed dogo although i did notice there was a few dark patches around the mouth which does suggest that it maybe a cross an not actually a full breed, and the puppy's are definatly not full breed , you can tell this by the black patches of fur on ears and around the eye's , All True Breed dogo Argentina's are Pure white, thats one of the crucial things when looking at these dogs,not to say there is anything wrong with them, personalty i think there adorable, But defanatly a cross and not a full breed , hope i may have enlightened you all abit, thanks for reading this, if there is anything else you would liike to know feel free to ask
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Old 19-06-2011, 12:51 PM
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Re: one of my relatives just brought a Dogo Argentino!!!

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hi ,on studying the pictures you have posted i just thought i should mention that the sire (father) does look like a full breed dogo although i did notice there was a few dark patches around the mouth which does suggest that it maybe a cross an not actually a full breed, and the puppy's are definatly not full breed , you can tell this by the black patches of fur on ears and around the eye's , All True Breed dogo Argentina's are Pure white, thats one of the crucial things when looking at these dogs,not to say there is anything wrong with them, personalty i think there adorable, But defanatly a cross and not a full breed , hope i may have enlightened you all abit, thanks for reading this, if there is anything else you would liike to know feel free to ask
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