Jenny is quite right, Greyhounds do NOT have to be muzzled in public, and why on earth should they?

Greyhounds can and do live happily with cats, it is the ex racers that tend to be muzzled for the very reason Jenny quoted.

As I said previously, E collars and their use is extremely emotive, and this debate could rage for ever. I totally agree however, that they should only be used as a LAST resort, and under license only.

People are talking of them failing since I believe they have a cut off point as in garden ponds, so this would NOT happen.

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Very true.

I think the trouble nowadays is that people are looking for a quick fix solution,rather than putting in the time and effort.

Jenny surely the folks knew that this dog could possibly have problems,especially when they had dealt with rescue ex racing greyhounds before.
It sure was a quick fix instead of giving time to adjust and perhaps seeking adivce from a behaviourist.

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they did get help from a behaviourist, the problem with giving dogs like this a time to adjust, they just keep repeating the same behaviour, and as pointed out in previous post a muzzled greyhound can't bite, but can still inflict much pain and suffering on a smaller animal, is this acceptable ? not in my world it isn't.

Of course they thought there may be problems, which is why it was on lead, in hindsight (that wonderful science) maybe he should have been muzzled, but it could just have easily happened in their garden, were he wouldn't have been.

The people have also continued to work hard with this dog, they still attend fun agility classes with him now.

We all talk about quick fixes as if they are wrong, but remember it is also a quick fix for a dog, it can get on with the rest of its life, and enjoy it.

If i had something wrong with me either mentally or physically, and my options were sort it now, it may hurt but tomorrow you will be okay, or we can muck about for a couple of years, you can live in misery and at the end of it you may be a bit better than you are now, I know which i'd choose, get on with it and get on with the rest of my life.

I too find the photos of the dog you posted upsetting, but it must have been a old type electric collar, where the charge went into the neck and earthed through the paws. The modern collars give an electrical impulse as opposed to a shock, it does not earth. i have tried one on me, I couldn't feel anything until it got to 25, at 45 it was about equivilent to setting 3 on my tens machine.

i agree with Jenny i dont like them e-collars but your on about it being a quick fix,,,,, and if it works whats the problem,,,, it shouldnt be used by ya average joe bloggs but if its seen as a last resort and used by a proffessional then fair enough by me.

I do understand where you are coming from Sallly-anne, if this forum had been around 2 years ago, and this thread had come up, I would have posted exactly the same things as you, they are barbaric, should never be used, only used by people who want to inflict pain, people too ignorant to understand the emotions of the dog, and that all problem given time can be cured by clicking and treating for good behaviour and ignoring the bad, and they are just looking for a quick fix, I truely believed this, and would have argued the case.

A lot of things have happened in the last two years, the first time I was present when I knew an e-collar was to be used, I went and hid in my car, not wanting any part of it, I didn't want to see it, I had seen the dog arrive and its behaviour around the other dogs there, barking, growling, lunging, snapping, a young GSD bitch, she was scared of them and was using aggression to make them go away, it usually worked for her.

After five minutes in the car I had to get out, having a natrually inquisitive mind, especially where dog training and behaviour was concerned. I saw a dog, who was walking past the other dogs wagging its tail in a low relaxed manner, being praised and rewarded for its new behaviour, five minutes later it was sniffing and saying hello to the other dogs. She had been trying to do it the other way for a year, attending classes staying on the outskirts, rewarding for good behaviour, which was fine until the dog got withinn 100 metres of another dog, she was told she needed to continue training the dog as it had no obedience, and needed a job to do in life.

This and many other events like it have changed my views, I saw on that day a nervous aggressive dog arrive, it was in last chance saloon, before the final needle, and what I saw leave was amazing, she competes with the dog now, both owner and dog have a much better life, and more importantly the dog still has a life.

Completely agree with Jenny for the exact same reasons.

I only heard of this collar which was used once. The dog was on her last chance and this literally saved her life. If they are not used under license then they should be, but having felt the collar, I can honestly say that it was very mild and I doubt my dog would have flinched. The spray collar was tried first remotely, but had no effect.

As I have said on previous occasions, training from an early age is the key to a well mannered dog, but where there is a deep routed problem, that could put the dog on death row, surely he should get that chance!

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Lets all try to be careful not to highlight a specific problem with a specific breed. I understand examples are important to prove a point.

I have written this post because whilst I understand and appreciate in extreme cases it has been necessary to use an e_collar and the outcome has been successful. My concern is that potential owners would possibly seek a different breed when considering re-homing a rescue dog.

I hope you will all agree that extreme behavioural problems are rare.

Sue

Absolutely agree Sue. I only highlighted a Goldie, since they are known to be excellent family dogs, and rarely turn up at behavioural clinics.

It is my hope that people using this forum will do their research before actually buying, or rehoming a dog. While it is imperative that no breed is tagged as having specific problems, there are certain breeds that should NOT go to a home where the owners are at work all day, and where they have little or no stimulation.

Rather a dog stay a slightly longer in kennels, than to be continually re-homed, as is in the case of some breeds. Therefore a little homework goes a long way.

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I agree, I hate kennels like the RSPCA where they get little or no exercise & mental stimulation but I would still prefer they were there a little longer and find a forever home rather than be passed from pillar to post.

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