hm fair enough, everyone has their own opinions
although i think it's up to the owner if they want to risk it failing

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totally agree there is not one right opinion on this, i really dont agree with them,, but would i use one as a last resort?.....more than likely. when ya have tried everything and theirs a chance it might work i dont think many people wouldn't ,, i do mean in extreme cases like sheep worrying that could lead to to death of the dog, surely a shock is better than death

Posts on previous threads suggest e_collars can be harmful in the wrong hands.

My rule of thumb is don't do to a dog what you wouldn't do to a child. The law states we cannot smack our children its abuse, personally I disagree. In my opinion smacking a child on every syllable or whereby smacking intensifies is abuse. Nevertheless using this principle e_collars should be banned.

I appreciate once a behavioural problem becomes habitual resolving it is almost impossible, fortunately I have never been in that position where shall we say conventional training methods failed. My training methods take time and patience.

At the dog training club we attended, the dogs we started out with in puppy class passed grade 1 while we were still in puppy class. We moved on to adult beginners before grade 1. There is no hurry for us to achieve anything as we have a life time to achieve everything.

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I have noticed in the debates about e-collars, people have voiced the opinion they should never be used, as they are a quick fix and there is always a better way, just wondered what you would do with the following.

A large male ex-racing greyhound was adopted from a rescue centre, he had been in there over a year.

All went well for the first few days, the couple were used to greyhound he was the third they had adopted, they walked him on a halti to stop his pulling, on the fourth day they had him he grabbed a cat from under a hedge and killed it.

An electric collar was used in one session to stop him killing again.

As anyone who has ever owned or seen a dog with prey drive this strong, a bag of treats would never have stopped him killing another cat, or a small dog for that matter. The reward chemistry in the brain on the grab and kill bite far exceeds any food reward.

they could have returned him to the rescue centre, I'm sure after a year or two someone else would come along and choose him again.

They could have muzzled him at all times, out on a walk, and in the garden, and the house in summer when the patio doors were open, that would have been nice for him, for the rest of his life.

They could have erected an eight foot fence all round their garden, (he could have scaled a six foot), however the odd cat could still have come in.

I've run out of ideas now, in my opinion they chose the right option, he is still with them four years later and has a happy life.

It was a quick fix for both new owners and dog, and the dog has a happy life from that day forward.

My understanding of the modern day e-collar is it does not earth, unlike the ones previously on sale, which I am sure are still being used by some people.

i think they choose the best option for that dog, i mean it would be just as cruel to have him muzzled all the time?

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well they choose well no amount of trying would have stopped it

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I thought greyhounds had to be muzzed in public anyway,I stand to be corrected though.

This is what dogs face under the current DDA,they have to be muzzled in public at all times,not because they are Dangerous but because of the way they look.

Can I ask if any other methods were tried before the use of an E-collar?

Also how would the dog have been dealt with if e-collars were not available to use?

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Greyhounds do not have to be muzzled in public, they are muzzles when racing to stop them tearing in to each other.

I was actually looking for suggestions as to what could have been done with this dog as an alternitive to an e-collar, as it is very well protesting that under no circumstances should they ever be used, but a viable alternitive needs to be offered..

As stated in my previous post food, no chance, does not compare to the reward of grab - kill bite. a dog in prey drive doesn't eat, not till after its killed.

a check on the lead perhaps, on a flat collar or head collar, you would have to be mighty strong, and timing impecable or you would have another dead animal, it may also agitate the dog driving on the behaviour.

so a check chain or pinch collar, as above really.

Even if the dog was perminently muzzled, for the rest of its life, it could still kill a small animal quite easily, I once witnessed a muzzled male greyhoud, flick a boxer under the stomach and on the its back it then went into the abdomen for the kill, it was muzzled it couldn't do it, but it could easily have killed a cat or smsll dog with the same action.

If there had been no e-collar, it would have gone back to the rescue centre or the great greyhound heaven in the sky.

I had a greyhound years ago we rescued him after hed finished racing,he was due to be destroyed that week.the first time he walked through our door he grabbed our cat,i punched him on the nose and he let go,fortunatly the cat was fine.We never had any more issuses with the cats!!!!in the years that followed the dog and cats slept together.Soon after we first got him i took him onto the common,he got a little dog and started to shake it,we managed to free it and it was fine,however ben stayed on the lead for a long while after that.After a while he was ok with smaller dogs and we had no more problems.we got ben when he was 4 and he lived with us until he was 16,he was great with the kids,i would never have used a e-collar all he needed was time to adjust.

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Well done to you, I am sure the well timed punch on the nose when he grabbed the cat helped, in addition to the time to adjust, and I agree, not all exracing greyhounds need an e-collar to control the chase/prey instinct, but in some it is stronger than others, had the woman in question had time and the forethought to punch her dog in the nose before he killed the cat, it may also have worked with him, however we need to remember that other peoples cats were used as stooges, themselves living creatures, with the right to life and safety.

I would have to say that small dogs that are picked up and shaken by greyhounds are not usually fine, had your dog had a strong grab- kill-bite, it would have been a different storey, and the mental damage done to the dog can often be as great as the physical damage, if they survive.

I'm glad you had such a happy outcome with Ben.