Please Help The Wolves!!!! - Page 11

noushka05 · #**101** (**permalink**) 15-09-2009, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by YukonChick

y'know... as my second post on this forum, maybe this is not such a good idea, but I really think something needs to be said here.
Wolves are a beautiful animal. They bear SO much resemblance to our own dogs, our working partners, our family members, correct? They are the stuff of mythology, of legend, and of folktales and lore. There is so much artwork focused on the wild beauty and romanticism of a wolf.
However, they are also a wild animal. As much as some people don't want to believe it or accept it, we as humans have taken over the world, and things need to work as we WANT them to work.
Myself and my family have always been greatly involved in the wildlife and hunting industry in the area that we are from, and I KNOW how much damage a wolf pack can cause to wildlife populations if not properly managed. They are efficient and deadly killers, and they do often prey on young moose/caribou/deer/elk calves. We have personally SEEN moose populations go down since trapper and outfitters stopped killing wolves out here. They have also been SERIOUS problems in relation to domestic cattle and other livestock down south (not so much here, as our "human" population is very low, haha). Some people will say "well, humans have invaded their territory", but I'm sure a GREAT many of you also eat meat, yes? These farmers and ranchers need to protect what is theirs and protect their investments, in order to bring YOU, as consumers, beef that is not at a ridiculously high price.
I understand that a great many of you view wolves as an endangered species, but I have a pretty hard time believing that when I see a wolf trotting down the side of the highway. The wolf-kill permits are VERY well studied and thought through before they are ever released... some of our best biologists work for the government who decide these things.
A lot of us need to stop and think about the actual FACTS of these hunting permits, rather than letting our hearts take over our minds.

well no wonder your no wolf fan if your involved in the hunting industry

the scientists in the yellowstone region have found that bringing back the apex predator has brought a balance back to the eco system, bears, eagles, red fox even the aspen forests are recovering & coyote numbers are down all because the wolf is back where it belongs!

ranchers are reimbursed for wolf kills & can shoot wolves that kill livestock but you cant persecute a whole species because of individual wolf killings, ranchers should learn to live alongside predators instead of wiping them out!

sorry but i dont think youv read all the facts, how can you not believe theyre endangered?

theres about 1,500 wolves in the whole of that region so of course theyre endangered! the wolf permits are not well studied! all scientific evidence has said numbers are too low to warrent hunting, genetic viability will be lost and the wolves will eventually die out!

i think its you who need to look at the FACTS! last year when ESA protection was removed by the government it was taken to court & the judge took a long time to study the evidence of over 200 independant scientists who stated the wolf should not be delisted until numbers were high enough to avoid a genetic bottleneck, the judge quite rightly reinstated ESA protection!

noushka05 · #**102** (**permalink**) 15-09-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by YukonChick

... Just realized that this is a UK site. Makes a lot more sense now.

why!

that sounds a bit patronising

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Originally Posted by YukonChick

Just one more thought: Are any of you on here horse owner?

... not sure if anyone realizes how upsetting it is to have colts and even full-grown horses killed by wolves.

Just throwing that out there

of course it upsetting but ranchers can shoot wolves that predate livestock, you shouldnt target a whole species for the 'crimes' of individual animals!

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Originally Posted by YukonChick

did you know that these hunters are for the government? Heli hunting is illegal for the general population.

You people need to actually get into the wildlife control offices and realize that there are REASONS why people are doing this.

I highly doubt that any of you are sustinance hunters or ranchers. However, you need to realize that a large number of our population is, and they will not take advice from people who grow up in cities and who's closest connection to a wolf is the siberian, malamute, or alaskan husky that they own.

yes thats right its government!... who are pandering to the pressures of the powerful hunting lobby & ranchers, not the independant scientists who say wolf numbers are too low yet to consider hunting!

even the wonderful sarah palin likes a bit of ariel wolf,bear anything that moves hunting dosent she

YukonChick · #**103** (**permalink**) 15-09-2009, 02:40 PM

Sarah Palin is from Alaska. Things are viewed a lot differently in areas where we actually live near and deal with wolves and other animals. It's pretty easy to sit over there in the UK and talk down on all these "bloodthirsty American hunters".

I'm sorry, I will look more into the facts of the wolf populations in THAT area, I am speaking for MY area, where wolves are nowhere near to endangered. I do NOT have a problem with wolves, they are an incredibly beautiful animal and I do love them, even though we HAVE had horses killed or critically injured by wolves (I understand that this is natural)... but when their populations reach numbers that begin to decimate our moose/caribou/sheep populations, then I am all for wolf control of some kind.

Just because I am involved in the hunting industry does not make me a heartless animal killer. It's a part of our lifestyle and our livelihood, as it is for many, many people in parts of Canada and the States.

However, I won't be posting in this topic anymore. I should have realized from the beginning that it was pointless.

noushka05 · #**104** (**permalink**) 15-09-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by YukonChick

Sarah Palin is from Alaska. Things are viewed a lot differently in areas where we actually live near and deal with wolves and other animals. It's pretty easy to sit over there in the UK and talk down on all these "bloodthirsty American hunters".

I'm sorry, I will look more into the facts of the wolf populations in THAT area, I am speaking for MY area, where wolves are nowhere near to endangered. I do NOT have a problem with wolves, they are an incredibly beautiful animal and I do love them, even though we HAVE had horses killed or critically injured by wolves (I understand that this is natural)... but when their populations reach numbers that begin to decimate our moose/caribou/sheep populations, then I am all for wolf control of some kind.

Just because I am involved in the hunting industry does not make me a heartless animal killer. It's a part of our lifestyle and our livelihood, as it is for many, many people in parts of Canada and the States.

However, I won't be posting in this topic anymore. I should have realized from the beginning that it was pointless.

its a pity you didnt actually read he thread to find out the area in question before commenting then!

thanks for not posting on here anymore tho

and by they way the ungulates of that region are healthy once again because of the wolfs reintroduction! unlike hunters wolves mainly kill the old & the weak & this has also been proven by scientists analysing the bones & teeth of the wolves prey, theres such a lot of anti wolf propaganda by hunters & ranchers its a wonder theres any wolves left at all!

Lazy Paw · #**105** (**permalink**) 16-09-2009, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by YukonChick

we as humans have taken over the world, and things need to work as we WANT them to work.

The way things work, we humans WANT pollution, wars, forests and houses being burned, lots of addicts, criminals enjoying rights and victims having none, and so on... Do we.
Or is it just that humans want to be the only species with the right to be predators?

noushka05 · #**106** (**permalink**) 17-09-2009, 07:39 AM

vigil for the wolves...

By JON DUVAL
Express Staff Writer

Just over two weeks after wolf hunting season opened in parts of Idaho, opponents to the hunt will hold a vigil in Ketchum.

It will take place in Ketchum Town Plaza on Thursday, Sept. 17, at 4:30 p.m.

Karen McCall, who with Eloise Christensen is organizing the vigil, asked residents of the Wood River Valley to attend to show support for the environmental groups engaged in a legal battle with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. The latter's decision to remove wolves in the northern Rockies from protection under the federal Endangered Species Act is being challenged in court by Earthjustice, a law firm representing numerous conservation and wildlife groups.

"It is our turn to speak for wolves, to stop killing and to teach coexistence," McCall said in a news release.

Wolf hunting in Idaho began Sept. 1 in two of the 12 wolf zones throughout the state. To date, four wolves have been killed, including one in the Sawtooth zone, two in the Lolo zone in north-central Idaho and one illegally killed in the McCall-Weiser zone, which is not open for wolf hunting until Oct. 1.

The hunt in Idaho allows up to 220 wolves to be legally killed by hunters and another 35 to be taken by the Nez Perce tribe. Seventy-five wolves can be legally shot in Montana, where the wolf season opened Tuesday.

there are only 500 wolves in hostile wolf hating Montana as it is

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