well no wonder your no wolf fan if your involved in the hunting industry
the scientists in the yellowstone region have found that bringing back the apex predator has brought a balance back to the eco system, bears, eagles, red fox even the aspen forests are recovering & coyote numbers are down all because the wolf is back where it belongs!

ranchers are reimbursed for wolf kills & can shoot wolves that kill livestock but you cant persecute a whole species because of individual wolf killings, ranchers should learn to live alongside predators instead of wiping them out!


sorry but i dont think youv read all the facts, how can you not believe theyre endangered? theres about 1,500 wolves in the whole of that region so of course theyre endangered! the wolf permits are not well studied! all scientific evidence has said numbers are too low to warrent hunting, genetic viability will be lost and the wolves will eventually die out!

i think its you who need to look at the FACTS! last year when ESA protection was removed by the government it was taken to court & the judge took a long time to study the evidence of over 200 independant scientists who stated the wolf should not be delisted until numbers were high enough to avoid a genetic bottleneck, the judge quite rightly reinstated ESA protection!

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"If the wolf is to survive, the wolf haters must be outnumbered. They must be outshouted, out financed, and out voted. Their narrow and biased attitude must be outweighed by an attitude based on an understanding of natural processes."
L David Mech

We have doomed the Wolf not for what it is, but for what we have deliberately and mistakenly perceived it to be..the mythologized epitome of a savage, ruthless killer..which is, in reality no more than a reflexed images of ourself." -Farley Mowat

why! that sounds a bit patronising


of course it upsetting but ranchers can shoot wolves that predate livestock, you shouldnt target a whole species for the 'crimes' of individual animals!

yes thats right its government!... who are pandering to the pressures of the powerful hunting lobby & ranchers, not the independant scientists who say wolf numbers are too low yet to consider hunting!

even the wonderful sarah palin likes a bit of ariel wolf,bear anything that moves hunting dosent she

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"If the wolf is to survive, the wolf haters must be outnumbered. They must be outshouted, out financed, and out voted. Their narrow and biased attitude must be outweighed by an attitude based on an understanding of natural processes."
L David Mech

We have doomed the Wolf not for what it is, but for what we have deliberately and mistakenly perceived it to be..the mythologized epitome of a savage, ruthless killer..which is, in reality no more than a reflexed images of ourself." -Farley Mowat

Sarah Palin is from Alaska. Things are viewed a lot differently in areas where we actually live near and deal with wolves and other animals. It's pretty easy to sit over there in the UK and talk down on all these "bloodthirsty American hunters".

I'm sorry, I will look more into the facts of the wolf populations in THAT area, I am speaking for MY area, where wolves are nowhere near to endangered. I do NOT have a problem with wolves, they are an incredibly beautiful animal and I do love them, even though we HAVE had horses killed or critically injured by wolves (I understand that this is natural)... but when their populations reach numbers that begin to decimate our moose/caribou/sheep populations, then I am all for wolf control of some kind.

Just because I am involved in the hunting industry does not make me a heartless animal killer. It's a part of our lifestyle and our livelihood, as it is for many, many people in parts of Canada and the States.

However, I won't be posting in this topic anymore. I should have realized from the beginning that it was pointless.

its a pity you didnt actually read he thread to find out the area in question before commenting then! thanks for not posting on here anymore tho


and by they way the ungulates of that region are healthy once again because of the wolfs reintroduction! unlike hunters wolves mainly kill the old & the weak & this has also been proven by scientists analysing the bones & teeth of the wolves prey, theres such a lot of anti wolf propaganda by hunters & ranchers its a wonder theres any wolves left at all!

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"If the wolf is to survive, the wolf haters must be outnumbered. They must be outshouted, out financed, and out voted. Their narrow and biased attitude must be outweighed by an attitude based on an understanding of natural processes."
L David Mech

We have doomed the Wolf not for what it is, but for what we have deliberately and mistakenly perceived it to be..the mythologized epitome of a savage, ruthless killer..which is, in reality no more than a reflexed images of ourself." -Farley Mowat

The way things work, we humans WANT pollution, wars, forests and houses being burned, lots of addicts, criminals enjoying rights and victims having none, and so on... Do we.
Or is it just that humans want to be the only species with the right to be predators?

vigil for the wolves...

By JON DUVAL
Express Staff Writer


Just over two weeks after wolf hunting season opened in parts of Idaho, opponents to the hunt will hold a vigil in Ketchum.

It will take place in Ketchum Town Plaza on Thursday, Sept. 17, at 4:30 p.m.

Karen McCall, who with Eloise Christensen is organizing the vigil, asked residents of the Wood River Valley to attend to show support for the environmental groups engaged in a legal battle with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. The latter's decision to remove wolves in the northern Rockies from protection under the federal Endangered Species Act is being challenged in court by Earthjustice, a law firm representing numerous conservation and wildlife groups.

"It is our turn to speak for wolves, to stop killing and to teach coexistence," McCall said in a news release.



Wolf hunting in Idaho began Sept. 1 in two of the 12 wolf zones throughout the state. To date, four wolves have been killed, including one in the Sawtooth zone, two in the Lolo zone in north-central Idaho and one illegally killed in the McCall-Weiser zone, which is not open for wolf hunting until Oct. 1.

The hunt in Idaho allows up to 220 wolves to be legally killed by hunters and another 35 to be taken by the Nez Perce tribe. Seventy-five wolves can be legally shot in Montana, where the wolf season opened Tuesday.



there are only 500 wolves in hostile wolf hating Montana as it is

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"If the wolf is to survive, the wolf haters must be outnumbered. They must be outshouted, out financed, and out voted. Their narrow and biased attitude must be outweighed by an attitude based on an understanding of natural processes."
L David Mech

We have doomed the Wolf not for what it is, but for what we have deliberately and mistakenly perceived it to be..the mythologized epitome of a savage, ruthless killer..which is, in reality no more than a reflexed images of ourself." -Farley Mowat

It has often been said that wherever a Sarplaninac walks a Wolf never will.
This has been proven to be true on many farms in Finland and is no longer the ambiguity of folklore.
Farmers who have been troubled by the nuisance of Wolves in the past have invested in the Sarplaninac and found that their anxieties were soon to disappear.
There are a sparse number of Ranchers in the States who utilise the Sarplaninac wherever there have been predators. The outcome has had equally astounding results.
Perhaps it might be more appropriate to apply a natural form of predator control in order to save the conflict of opinions?

Just signed it.

ive just had the most wonderful news .................

Dear JO,

It's fantastic news: yesterday a federal court ruled in our favor and restored endangered species protection to wolves in Montana and Idaho!

The ruling effectively returns ALL wolves in the Northern Rockies to the endangered species list and puts a halt to the wolf hunts that were planned for this fall, starting next month.

As you know, the states' management of wolves has taken a terrible toll over the past year and a half. Since the Obama Administration stripped these wolves of federal protection, more than 500 of them have been gunned down by hunters or government agents.

In response, NRDC -- in partnership with Earthjustice and 13 other conservation groups -- sued the government in federal court and demanded endangered species protection for all 1,700 wolves across the Northern Rockies until their population is able to fully recover.

A federal judge agreed, saying that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service acted illegally when it removed wolves from the endangered species list in Idaho and Montana but left them on the list in Wyoming, splitting the population along political, rather than biological, lines.

Now that the courts have called off the guns, you and I can breathe a sigh of great relief that the public hunting of wolves will not resume this fall. Hundreds of wolves that would have been killed will instead be spared.

For that, we have you to thank. You sustained us through this long legal battle with your donations, your online activism and your absolute commitment to restoring wolves to their rightful place in Greater Yellowstone and across the Northern Rockies.

We can only hope that the Obama Administration will now go back to the drawing board and come up with a solid plan that ensures the sustainable recovery of wolves over the long term.

But if they do not, you can be sure that we will be ready to come to the defense of wolves once again. In the meantime, on behalf of everyone here at NRDC, I want to extend my deepest thanks for helping to make this great victory possible.

Sincerely,

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"If the wolf is to survive, the wolf haters must be outnumbered. They must be outshouted, out financed, and out voted. Their narrow and biased attitude must be outweighed by an attitude based on an understanding of natural processes."
L David Mech

We have doomed the Wolf not for what it is, but for what we have deliberately and mistakenly perceived it to be..the mythologized epitome of a savage, ruthless killer..which is, in reality no more than a reflexed images of ourself." -Farley Mowat

thats brilliant

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