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Old 28-04-2013, 03:13 PM
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Re: Why are puppies SO expensive to buy?!

I personally don't begrudge ethical and knowledgeable breeders a penny of the purchase cost of my dogs.

One question- would you go to work for free? Even if it was something you loved and poured your heart in to? Could you afford to?

Because as well as the physical costs (stud fees and transport to, health testing fees, show/work fees, whelping box and other paraphernalia, x-ray to see pups, increased electricity bills, vaccinations, kennel club registration, vet checks ect ect ect) if everything goes right, there are all the fees in everything goes wrong (emergency c-section, medication ect) the breeder needs to put an extraordinary amount of time and energy into very litter. And then there are the times when it's a singleton litter...

If they make profit on one litter, you can bet it will be lost on another. And any profit which would be made, of decided by numbers of hours spent, would be well below minimum wage...

What about the money they have to spend at a later date, when a puppy can no longer be looked after by the owner and they take the dog back? The advice they are able to offer over the lifetime of the dog?

If you can't afford/don't want to spend the money on a well bred dog, please give money to a rescue who will use it to rescue dogs, rather than lining the pockets of someone who shouldn't be breeding...
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Re: Why are puppies SO expensive to buy?!

I think it's good that puppies are expensive. People tend to take better care of things that they pay a lot of money for. It makes dogs more valuable in peoples minds and in the long run it'll be fewer dogs ending up in rescue. But that also means that people buying dogs need to have demands on the breeders. Puppies should be delivered with KC registration, a pedigree and be vaccinated. The parents should also have been vaccinated, properly health tested etc.

If not, don't buy (whatever the price is).

I don't think 650 is very much for a puppy. I paid 1180 for my dog (12 000 Swedish crowns). In Sweden, puppies usually cost about 10 000-12 000 Swedish crowns (980-1180 pounds).
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It must be a yankeedoodle thing [I have lots of American friends] - I believe it's someone who is pretty flush or atleast likes to think so as it's not really a complimentary term
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Re: Why are puppies SO expensive to buy?!

There are plenty of rescue dogs who are wonderful with children. Some have come from homes with several young kids, in fact.

I really recommend that you speak to more rescues. e.g. the various Labrador rescues have numerous gentle, well adjusted dogs that are fab with kids

Re the cost of puppies: I have no issue whatsoever with *good*, caring breeders charging enough for their pups so that they make a profit. In fact when I was researching Lab pups, a few years back, I found that the really good breeders were not charging any more than the ones who didn't give a damn!

What I find absurd are when people pay 1000 or more for a Doodle dog. Sure they're lovely but often they DO shed, their appearance is not standardised and little or no health testing is done of the parent dogs - so why are people happy to play MORE for these than for a more 'traditional' breed pup from fully health tested parents???
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I think it's good that puppies are expensive. People tend to take better care of things that they pay a lot of money for. It makes dogs more valuable in peoples minds and in the long run it'll be fewer dogs ending up in rescue.
Sadly, that's not always true. Both my rescues have been good pedigree dogs that must've cost a lot of money, but it didn't stop their original owners thinking nothing about disposing of them when they became surplus to requirements. Thank goodness for the dedicated people who run the rescues who enable us to rehome to fantastic dogs. We saw a beautiful Spinone puppy this morning, and much as my heart melted, I know I'd never have another puppy. If I'm able to have another dog in the future, it'll definitely be another rescue.
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Re: Why are puppies SO expensive to buy?!

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A good breeder makes little or no money on litters - often even losses. There are health tests to consider, stud fee, food (extra for bitch and pups), welping box, bedding, vet check ups, pre mate tests, toys, kc registration etc...

If you cannot afford 650 for a puppy, then I don't know how you are going to be able to afford any emergency vet treatment if you ever need it.

And if they do make any money - it goes to paying for the next generations health tests, stud fee, litter costs etc...


Puppy farmers however do not health test or pay for expensive studs, they are fed cheap basic food, no vet checks, no pre mate checks etc so make pretty large profits - you may only be paying 400 a puppy but I the badly bred pup will most likely cost you heavy vet bills from the poor breeding or behaviourist fees for the poor socialisation.
650 is nothing compared to how much owning a dog will cost.
Thanks. I know about the costs of owning dogs, I have owned a few . I've never in all that time had to pay out 650 in vet bills in one go as I have always made sure I have good insurance. Things not covered by insurance (flea/worm/vax) don't come to anywhere near that.

It is a good point that the cheaper one's may not have had the thorough health testing etc but I am not sure that is always the case. It's a minefield!
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Our beautiful dog died recently and whilst nothing could EVER replace him the house feels so empty. We now have no pets as we were getting a cat a while ago but that fell through. We have been advised not to get a rescue dog as we have 3 small children. We understand and can manage the costs of owning a dog as we had one for 10 years but just dont have 650 cash to buy one! When we bought George 10 years ago he cost 200 and was pedigree Border Collie. Even cross breeds are double that now, why is this?
The world has changed, everything costs more than 10yrs ago.

Although if you pop onto gumtree or Facebook you will find a pedigree for 200 (you won't find a KC health tested dog for that though)
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Old 28-04-2013, 04:57 PM
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Thanks. I know about the costs of owning dogs, I have owned a few . I've never in all that time had to pay out 650 in vet bills in one go as I have always made sure I have good insurance. Things not covered by insurance (flea/worm/vax) don't come to anywhere near that.

It is a good point that the cheaper one's may not have had the thorough health testing etc but I am not sure that is always the case. It's a minefield!
Good good, lucky you! We ended up with a 2k bill with our previous dog (seizures, special food, blood tests, GA, epilepsy meds etc... - liver failure/cancer/disease) , which was why I wanted to give you the information...

Sadly - it is normally the case. You would be hard pushed to find a litter of Labradors with relevant health tests (hips, elbows, eyes) under 500 - more likely 600 in my experience - more for fully tested and champion parents. It is hard to know what I best, as lots of people have cross breeds or un health tested dogs but they live a full and happy life with no problems... but for the sake of 300, in my opinion, the risk is too high...
My auntie wants a chocolate Labrador - currently searching for a puppy... she said she can afford 400 maximum, i've looked, but the cheapest health tested Labs in my area (basic hips, elbows and eyes) were 600... she is going ahead regardless of my advice and going with a cheaper puppy... I bet it won't be cheaper in the long run...
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