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Old 09-01-2013, 08:40 AM
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Question Puppy thrashing in crate - how long do I leave him?

I have a 4 and 1/2 month old whippet puppy and he mostly likes his crate.

However, in the mornings he's started crying and thrashing in there after he's put back in following his 6:30 whizz/poop.

I know I should never let him out while he's crying or thrashing - but how much silence should I wait for before I do let him out? 10 seconds? A minute? I don't want him to think I'm letting him out because of the crying because I think that would only make it worse, right?

I'd really appreciate any advice! He's only just started doing it and he used to just head right back into his crate and go back to sleep, so I'm not sure what happened...
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Re: Puppy thrashing in crate - how long do I leave him?

I wouldn't leave him in if he's thrashing.
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Re: Puppy thrashing in crate - how long do I leave him?

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I wouldn't leave him in if he's thrashing.
Ditto - If he is thrashing around then especially a more fragile (Well comapred to a lump like my girl) dog like a whippet could injure himself.

I know a pup who broke two legs getting tangled in a crate.

I dont personally have any experienc ewith crate training but hopefully someone who does can help you.

Are you able to leave him out of the crate after his morning toilet break?
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Re: Puppy thrashing in crate - how long do I leave him?

Double Ditto. If he's so upset that he's thrashing I think maybe you need a change of plan
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Re: Puppy thrashing in crate - how long do I leave him?

Does he need to go back in. do I take it you go back to bed. Maybe you will have to stay up and then gradually get later letting him out till you are letting him out at your normal getting up time.
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Re: Puppy thrashing in crate - how long do I leave him?

He probably starts making a fuss because he's got up and wants to be getting on with the day, rather than going back to bed. Whilst you don't want to let him out because he's whinging, if he's starting to thrash about he's getting stressed and you need to be doing something about it.
I think you possibly may have to reasses your getting up times, but you can try putting him back in with a stuffed kong to chew on while you get yourself dressed etc.
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Re: Puppy thrashing in crate - how long do I leave him?

What do you have in his crate? His bed? Food? Toys?

I decided not to crate train our newest puppy because it stresses him out so much. Makes a sound like he's being murdered, chews the bars, jumps about. If your little'un is that distressed, maybe you can be a bit lenient with the crating?

If you need to go back to bed, I understand. I personally believe that, while allowances must be made, the dog should fit around your schedule, not the other way around.
However, perhaps you could play with him or give him a tummy rub or tuck him into his bed with the door still open- talk to him and relax him for a while? Once they're asleep they're normally dead to the world for a little while, so you can sneak away then.

If "thrashing" was an overstatement and you just mean he's making a bit of a fuss, we normally leave them in the crate for a few minutes before going in. Some people recommend 1 minute, some recommend 10. You're right that you shouldn't let him get his way just because he's whining. Stuffed Kongs and chewy bones tend to help speed up the shut-it process

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Re: Puppy thrashing in crate - how long do I leave him?

I he is that stressed out I personally wouldn't just put him back in.
Is there a reason he needs to go back in once you're both up?
If there is then you need to retrain him, what I did to get Missy used to being crated (5 year old rescue) was sit with her stroking her, reasuring her, until she had settled before I closed the door and moved away. I also gave her something to do by leaving her a stuffed kong.
If you really need him to go back to bedin the morning then I would have a nice stuffed frozen kong ready for his breakfast to keep him busy and make going back to his crate a good thing.

All of my 3 are crate trained, however I did advise a friend to stop crate training her dog as he found being in a crate a very stressful situation, where as my lot love their little dens
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Re: Puppy thrashing in crate - how long do I leave him?

I wouldn't put the pup back in. Maybe you'll just need to get up earlier for a while. or even better, take him back to bed with you Having passed the night quietly on his own, by that point he is probably no longer tired, and craving your company.

When my whippet was a pup, I got up at 6.30 everyday (or earlier) until she was about 6 months old. Only then could I start persuading her to have a slight lie in!

You don't want him to start disliking his crate altogether by making him go back in when he isn't happy.
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Re: Puppy thrashing in crate - how long do I leave him?

I don't know the 'right' way to train this but mine will get back into her crate if I just say 'shower time' now (I use it also if I am just going out for a while). I started by leaving her out for her crate for breakfast and garden visit (ca 30 mins); then putting her in her crate with a chew & toy; then giving her lots of praise, cuddles and fuss when I let her out again (ca 1 hr). I never let her cry for more than 5 minutes at the most. But - she never thrashed. I also used the phrases 'shower time' and 'restie-byes' each time.

That said - I am home most of the time, so she is not crated for more than a couple of hours in the daytime. Maybe because of that she is happy with her crate and will take herself to bed at 9pm-ish (I straighten her crate blankets and put a fresh toy in there every day). Once in, I lean in for a cuddle and reassurance then gently close the crate door and pull a thick blanket over the whole crate. She'll then stay there 'til 8am on the dot before waking me up with a bark. Her blankets are washed once a week.

Sorry - our routine might not suit if you are working, so it may not be much help. But don't worry - your pup is very young still and will probably settle with time, routine, and lots of initial encouragement x
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