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Old 28-06-2012, 09:34 PM
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Re: ITV documentary about Dangerous Dogs.

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Or whether they'll mention that the number of children injured by dogs has actually fallen in the last 10 years?
Well that statement is not strictly true is it? As according to the link you posted whilst the number of dog bites went down in the 0 - 9 age group by 16% the number of dog bites in the 10 - 19 age group increased by 47%

So, as in any statistics I guess it depends on which ones you choose to rely on and how they are presented.

Now if you consider that 16 - 19 are not "children" further analysis would be required to support your statement.

Further the 0- 9 years of age group is the SOLE group where dog bites have decreased, in all other age groups they have INCREASED.


Data year 0-9 10-19 Age
2007-08 827 671
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Old 28-06-2012, 09:36 PM
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Re: ITV documentary about Dangerous Dogs.

Of course the focus is on staffies because they are cheap because people indicrimately breed them. Alsatians can very easily be made aggressive but they cost a lot more.
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Old 28-06-2012, 09:56 PM
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Re: ITV documentary about Dangerous Dogs.

I think that programmes like this are not really intended for people who are aware of things like the DDA, proper training and how to look after dogs in a responsible way.
The people on this forum have heard it all before and despaired again and again about the kind of problems shown in the film.

It's aimed at the casual dog owner, who doesn't understand the problems, or maybe even doesn't care. I think it did make the point about deed not breed, maybe not enough as we'd have liked. But it was only a short programme, and imo they crammed too much into it.
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Re: ITV documentary about Dangerous Dogs.

they kept mentioning the "theory" of deed not breed. its not a theory its the truth!
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Re: ITV documentary about Dangerous Dogs.

I've just watched this, I would love to know how they determined that poor dog they put to sleep was a pit bull? Didn't look anything like one to me.
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That poor young dog that was put down

Didnt look like a pitbull to merolleyes:
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Re: ITV documentary about Dangerous Dogs.

I watched it, but found it upsetting when the young dog was pts, how can anyone not be moved at seeing such a young and what looked to be well adjusted dog put to sleep just becasue he looked 'like; a certain breed.

The sooner this stupid law is scrapped the better, and whislt on the point surely the mentality ofSOME of the breeders /owners plays a part here

I know we are not allowed to use bad language but hope the mods can let it go on this occassion!

I am referring to the scum who said, words to the effect of!
wait until you see his father, you''ll sh*t your pants! no wonder there is no hope for some!
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Re: ITV documentary about Dangerous Dogs.

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they kept mentioning the "theory" of deed not breed. its not a theory its the truth!
Just coz they use the word theory doesn't mean people won't take notice. After all the theory of evolution is taught as a fact now, even though they still call it a theory.

I think sometimes because we have an understanding of dogs that some people don't, we might expect too much too soon. There is so much wrong with the DDA, it should be scrapped now. But they won't, and I think part of that is coz they don't understand how much a dog can mean to it's owner. To some people it's just a thing, a possession, like anything else.

Change to the laws will come. But it will take time, and programmes like this that raise awareness can only be a good thing. I mean, how can any one not have been moved by poor Marley, a dog doomed to die just coz it's (supposed) breed.
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Re: ITV documentary about Dangerous Dogs.

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Well that statement is not strictly true is it? As according to the link you posted whilst the number of dog bites went down in the 0 - 9 age group by 16% the number of dog bites in the 10 - 19 age group increased by 47%

So, as in any statistics I guess it depends on which ones you choose to rely on and how they are presented.

Now if you consider that 16 - 19 are not "children" further analysis would be required to support your statement.

Further the 0- 9 years of age group is the SOLE group where dog bites have decreased, in all other age groups they have INCREASED.


Data year 0-9 10-19 Age
2007-08 827 671
1997-98 989 356

Ah, but what you are obviously not understanding is that these are figures from dog strikes as well as dog bites. A dog strike is - for example - someone either falling over a dog, or a child being accidentally being knocked down by a dog whilst playing (ie injuries linked to dogs, but not from an aggressive attack). According to DDA Watch - and they should be the ones who know! - figures for dog bites are uncollated, but anecdotal evidence from A&E departments would lead them to believe that injuries from dog bites are actually falling. In fact, as they say:

"The only thing the figures do not show is a definite increase in dog attacks."
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Re: ITV documentary about Dangerous Dogs.

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Ah, but what you are obviously not understanding is that these are figures from dog strikes as well as dog bites.

Ah but I am able to discern the difference betweed dog strikes and dog bites which is one of the reasons I asked for the source of the info.

A dog strike is - for example - someone either falling over a dog, or a child being accidentally being knocked down by a dog whilst playing (ie injuries linked to dogs, but not from an aggressive attack). According to DDA Watch - and they should be the ones who know! - figures for dog bites are uncollated, but anecdotal evidence from A&E departments would lead them to believe that injuries from dog bites are actually falling. In fact, as they say:

Yes but what you are obviously not understanding is that the DDA are hardly objective are they? This is the issue with statistics, everyone has an agenda and we can all present figures which are CORRECT but not totally inclusive.

Eg if we use graphs, the types of graphs, numbers or percentages etc etc etc

"The only thing the figures do not show is a definite increase in dog attacks."
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Any set of statistics is only a snapshot view from a particular perspective in a continuum.

I can present the same data in a variety of ways which can appear to support many different views should I so choose.

ETA that the figures quoted in the programme specifically did NOT include those patients in A & E.
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