I know. I can't believe that. I'm not even a breeder... and I've taken great offence to be honest.
I actually never get this angry at people. But ignorance when it comes to breeding animals and their welfare when being bred from really gets to me.

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Our little furry family:

Dobby- Male CC Powderpuff puppy.
Maisey- Female grey & white fancy rat.
Lillian- Female albino, seal point fancy rat.

I didn't start the post on FB to start a fight, i was giving an opinion which is my right. If someone disagrees with it, so be it, but do so in an informative and constructive manner. A debate if you will, like i would expect an adult to do. I thought she was rude but was doubting myself, now i'm not.

I personally think given the situation in the country right now, with so many animals being dumped, people need to think before breeding, and i have every right to say that on MY facebook status.

Thank you to those who have read what she said and given their opinion on it. Like i said, i no longer have her as a 'friend'. It wasn't aimed at her and in no way did it say don't buy puppies. She is an argumentative, opinionated woman, so i will leave her to her own thoughts. in the meantime i will continue to push rescues, where appropriate for the situation.

ETA - this was someone i used to work with. EVERYONE i have as a friend on FB is someone i know personally, so yes, it is real. It may be the internet, but i know every single one of my contacts. I have ones i sometimes disagree with, but we discuss it like adults.

I am sorry, but if you want to interfere with what someone is doing with their animals or their kids you will get an earful. That is life. If you want to lose friends because of your convictions then that is your choice.
I still see nothing that says she wants to breed from her bitch, the argument seemed to be whether she should have got the puppy in the first place because it wasnt a rescue.

And whether you like it or not everyone has a right to breed from their bitch and the majority of pups are bred by pet owners who want to replicate their much loved pets. It is a fact of life and no amount of preaching will alter this. And if the majority of these owners ask advice from professionals then they will be advised to go ahead and breed so we are not talking about a minority of uneducated dog owners here.

It has nothing at all to do with what I personally think. A lot of friends and acquaintances do things with their animals that I firmly disagree with . I have lost friends through putting my opinions forward and unless cruelty is involved I think it is fairly pointless as we all have different opinions on what is right and wrong.

In this case what I feel is wrong is to bring a facebook spat onto another forum. And if it someone you know personally that is even more wrong.

Why does everyone have a right to breed from whatever bitch they please? what if the breeding results in problems due to things not being taken into consideration?
Noone has a the right to put their bitch through a mating and a pregnancy that could be detremental to their health because they haven't bothered to follow ethical breeding practices. NOONE has the right to do that to any animal. That in itself is a form of animal cruelty, wether cruelty is intended or not.

It's one thing being totally unaware of correct practices but it's another being on a forum where ethical breeding is promoted left, right and center for the ANIMALS wealthfare and still having an "Oh well, people have a right to do what they want" attitude. People don't and shouldn't have a right to do just whatever they please with animals as that's still a life your messing with. It may not be a human life your playing god with but it's still a life that's just as inportant as our own. If your going to breed from an animal, you best well make sure your doing right by the animal and practicing safe and ethical breeding... that's what you owe to that animal at the very least! It's not about OUR rights atall, it's about that bitches rights that you'll be mating.

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Our little furry family:

Dobby- Male CC Powderpuff puppy.
Maisey- Female grey & white fancy rat.
Lillian- Female albino, seal point fancy rat.

Sounds like you hit a nerve there!!

I absolutely 100% agree with you, as do most people

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I strive to be the person my dogs think I am...

Thankyou.
It's something I really do care about.
I didn't actually know about ethical breeding practices before joining this forum after getting Dobby.
But know I've been educated and now that I know better... there's really no excuse what so ever not to support it.

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Our little furry family:

Dobby- Male CC Powderpuff puppy.
Maisey- Female grey & white fancy rat.
Lillian- Female albino, seal point fancy rat.

The day I start caring more about having friends than standing up for animals, will be the day I no longer deserve to own one.

Did you even read the OP? You really have missed the point!

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You CAN teach an old dog new tricks!

Harvey the Labrador X German Shepherd 12.2.08
Bella the Alaskan Malamute 1.8.09

depending upon local laws / ordinances, this may not be true, strictly. IOW it may be illegal.

also, that they MAY breed does not mean they should breed.
simply breeding any dog who has genitalia results in some horror stories.

8-MO bitches whelping after their first estrus?
bitches who give birth under the house, when the 'breeder' does not confine or monitor her?
dogs who fight during the tie, or the bitch panics & tries to flee?
dogs who tie on either side of a cyclone-fence, and some $#%&@! tries to SEPARATE them?!
bitches who are exhausted by labor, & retain pups - who die - or placentae, or parts of placenta?

bad things can happen very easily, when 'nature is left to take Her course'.
i don't believe this is true. thankfully!

if it were true that No-One will ever change their mind or their behavior as a result of advice from others,
the human-race is doomed. thankfully, many pet-owners today do NOT breed Fluffy to allow their kids
'to witness the miracle of birth' - they rent a video, or better yet, they foster a pregnant cat or dog
for a shelter or rescue, thus getting the dam & litter out of the space which another animal can use,
& helping to socialize the dam & her babies in a healthier, safer, less-crowded environment.
i don't believe that, either.
- i don't think MOST PROS will say, "sure! good idea!"

- some professionals who are afraid to insult a customer, like certain vets, some groomers, a few trainers,
some dog-walkers, folks who operate boarding-kennels, etc, MIGHT say, 'oh, yes! Your Fido/Fluffy is so sweet,
i'm sure s/he's a wonderful breeding prospect!'... but many will not say that.

many will say forthrightly but as politely as possible, that Fluffy or Fido needs to be screened, first.
or should be at least 2-YO before breeding; or lacks a definitive trait of their breed -
or is shy & startles easily, an extremely-heritable behavior, which is difficult to live with.
or is a less-than-excellent specimen of the breed; or has structural problems, or temperament issues.

or the breeder-to-be lacks the resources - space, time & money - to provide properly for the dam
& the litter; what about emergency C-sections? prenatal exams? bloodwork? feeding the dam from day-30
with increasing amounts of the future-PUPs' high-quality puppy-diet? indoor space for the whelping-box,
for the pups to play on an easy-clean surface, for a toilet-area when the pups leave the nest?...

there are almost-infinite number of reasons not to breed.
there is only ONE reason To Breed: an exceptional dog who passes all the generic & breed-specific tests,
with a mate chosen to compensate for every flaw, & a budget to cover the time, space & $$ needed
for the coming litter. Reservations for pups, plans for any returning pups, etc, are further concerns.

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As others have said, why does everyone have a right to breed from "their" animal? What is the logic behind this statement?

Why does a certain sort of human being believe that "because I want to" is a justification for their behaviour? As though wanting something gives us an inherent right. "It's MY animal, and I WANT to breed from it, so that's MY right". Sorry, but no it is not. Just because human beings have decided that we can "own" another living creature legally, that does not mean ethically or logically we have any right over that creature.