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Old 29-07-2011, 05:42 PM
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Re: No, i don't feel sorry for her - or her son; only for the dogs

- from the photo of Dexter, i would lay money he had either ECtropion or ENtropion, either is excruciatingly
painful but treatable - a simple surgery when he was a pup would have saved his sight, & much agony besides.
age of the owner is not an excuse.[/QUOTE]



I dont agree, you cant diagnose EN or ECtropian from a photo at that angle.

We wont know the full facts, everyone is speculating again on the finer points of a sad story again
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Re: Elderly woman convicted for failing to have dog put down

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i dont care what newspaper reported this it seems to me this lady had one thing left in her life they were both suffering but coped together such was their bond.maybe she kept her companion too long maybe she tried her best with her companion seems to me it was all she had left and assistance for her would have helped.now she has lost the thing she probably lived for and been stupidly punished for it.where is everyones compassion we all will get old and try to hold on to what we love and rely on.
Must say I tend to agree with youPity they dont come down a bit harder on all the so called possers that abuse there staffies.Why would they tag an old lady?
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Arrow playing the pity violin won't excuse this.

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...it seems to me this lady had one thing left in her life, they were both suffering
but coped together, such was their bond. maybe she kept her companion too long, maybe she tried her best
with her companion; seems to me it was all she had left, and assistance for her would have helped.
now she has lost the thing she probably lived for...
- they [she and her ADULT SON] had, & have, other dogs; she is not alone in the world.

- why can't her SON take the dog to the vet for his poor dear mum?

- there's no mention of how many other dogs, what condition they are in, etc.

- tearjerking does not eliminate her responsibility to care for her dogs - all of them.
if she could not take him TO the vet, & could not afford an 'in-home appt', how is she able to afford
vet care for her other dogs?
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I dont agree, you cant diagnose EN or ECtropian from a photo at that angle.
i can't diagnose it at all - i'm not a vet.

however, what i can SEE is a clearly-swollen wet eyelid on the lower edge of the right eye,
with the hair under the eye thinned & the eye-globe itself appears sunken - indicating both eyelids
are very-likely swollen. Long-term aggravation due to eyelashes turned inward, OR the eyelid everted out,
will both produce that combination of visible effects.

ergo, i'd bet on it - as i already said.
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Re: Elderly woman convicted for failing to have dog put down

i did not read about multiple animals only about her lab and sons staffie.just thought she could have used some help but sounds like she has a useless son.poor dog and poor lady.is this todays sociaty where no one can dare speak up to offer advice and help.yes rspca could have helped but were they aware
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Arrow the other [un-counted] dogs

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i did not read about multiple animals...
it's in the Manchester article - which i quoted in full here -
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"Dexter, who was put down the next day, was estimated to be... 9-YO, although Spoor claimed he was 18.
Robinson, 30... signed Angel over to the RSPCA and she was later rehomed.
Angela Fitzpatrick, defending, said Robinson was struggling financially but had tried to treat the Staffie himself.
Magistrates were told that both defendants owned other dogs, one... had been rescued from a dog-fighting ring."
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i dont care what newspaper reported this it seems to me this lady had one thing left in her life they were both suffering but coped together such was their bond.maybe she kept her companion too long maybe she tried her best with her companion seems to me it was all she had left and assistance for her would have helped.now she has lost the thing she probably lived for and been stupidly punished for it.where is everyones compassion we all will get old and try to hold on to what we love and rely on.
Exactly. This is a 9 year old lab with arthritis and conjunctivitis, and a 71 year old pensioner who loved him dearly but could not afford to have him treated. The dog was suffering and something had to be done, but this is like using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut. Rather than being holier than thou and pointing the finger, people should be asking themselves the following questions:

1. Why did the RSPCA choose euthanasia as the best way to deal with a 9 year old dog with arthritis and conjunctivitis? They are always far too quick to kill the animals they are supposed to care for. Could it be cecause they just might have to spend some of the money given to them in donations instead of hoarding it all away in their bank?
2. What possible benefit to either herself or society is an electronic tag on the leg of a 71 year old whose only crime is to not be able to afford to look after her dog/wanted to keep her companion alive and with her?
3. As Raindog has already said so well, why did the RSPCA not help the woman to get her dog treated and then help her to look after it? Could it be because they always prosecute the vulnerable? They always seem to target the disadvantaged who are unable to fight back, rather than prosecute the villains they should be going after.
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This is a 9-YO Lab with arthritis and conjunctivitis, & a 71-YO pensioner who loved him dearly
but could not afford to have him treated. The dog was suffering and something had to be done...

1. Why did the RSPCA choose euthanasia as the best way to deal with a 9-YO dog with arthritis & conjunctivitis?
the dog is described as having 'multiple medical problems including arthritis, lameness & conjunctivitis.
...dull and lethargic with ear & eye infections, and [he] had difficulty standing up.
Mrs. Spoor said she had not been to a vet because he was incontinent, & no bus or taxi would take him.
She stated that she knew he needed [to be put] to sleep, but... she had been putting it off.'


that sounds as tho he was in considerable pain, & had been for a long time, as he could barely stand.
it does not sound as tho anti-inflammatories & an ear-wash would make him comfortable.
he is not ONLY arthritic, he's lame - with no stated cause, & with a long-standing eye condition.

plus his owner acknowledged that he should have been euthanized, & she had been delaying it.
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2. What possible benefit to... herself or society is an electronic tag on the leg of a 71-YO whose only crime
is to not be able to afford to look after her dog [& she] wanted to keep her companion alive & with her?
- if nothing else, it will remind her that her OTHER dogs must get vet-care when they need it -
not when she feels like it, or after she saves the $$ over a few months' time.

- she must get her dogs from somewhere - an ankle-bracelet may make the suppliers think again,
before they give or sell a dog or puppy to her.
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3. ... why did the RSPCA not help the woman to get her dog treated and then help her to look after [Dexter]?
Could it be because they always prosecute the vulnerable? They always seem to target the disadvantaged
who are unable to fight back, [vs] prosecute the villains they should be going after.
- perhaps they are helping to care for her OTHER dogs - the number, age, & condition of which,
we do not know.

i have another question:
- why did her 30-YO son get a free pass from everybody?
why is HE not helping his mother to care for her dogs? why is HE not caring for his own dog?
who BTW has been re-homed - which means his dog was either treated successfully, or is being treated
in her new home.
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