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Old 06-10-2008, 06:07 PM
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Re: Another disaster for pedigree dogs ?

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I am referring to the programme (Panarama), I believe, where the actual judge was interviewed and asked why the dog was awarded first place when they knew it had SM. They immediately replied by saying 'no comment' and putting their hand up to the camera.

You seem very defensive Sallyanne, but please be assured that I am in no way tarring all breeders with the same brush. I live opposite an extremely responsible breeder, who feels exactly the same way as I do. She openly welcomed the programme in question, stating that it was long overdue. A nicer lady you could not wish to meet and she is passionate about her breed.
I am in noway been defensive but realistic,that programme was biased and based on lies and misconceptions.How did the production team know that the judge knew the dog in question had SM ?
Maybe they didn't know and assumed,they made an awful lot of assumptions throughout that 1 hour programme which took two yrs to make ?
Why so long if the world of pedigree dogs is so bad,afterall there are shows every weekend in the uk for different breeds,where were the responsible breeders in this programme those that do everything by the book ?Nowhere to be seen,why do you suppose that was ?

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Re: Another disaster for pedigree dogs ?

Oh dear, here we go again.

I have stated what I saw and how I feel about this Sallyanne. I have made my points on several threads and since we will only go around in circles on this topic, I will once again bow out.
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Old 06-10-2008, 06:16 PM
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Re: Another disaster for pedigree dogs ?

I agree this is just ridiculous, we all have our own views but can I suggest to those that have strong views to go on the cavalier web site and read the many reports on SM, read the breeding guidelines, find out why the meeting was held - then maybe you will be entitled to criticise

I think the results speak for themselves
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Re: Another disaster for pedigree dogs ?

I don't understand, if there are problem with the breed why not sort the problems out by selective breeding programs, which was the way I assumed any hereditary problem was dealt with.

By kicking someone of a committee doesn't resolve a problem it just sweeps it under the carpet, and does nothing to promote or improve the breed.

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Re: Another disaster for pedigree dogs ?

We aren't sweeping anything under the carpet at all, we have breeding guidelines and most are using them
MC was removed from the committee by an overwhelming vote for breaking confidentiality, research will still carry on with or without MC, like I said please read the Cavalier club website, you will find all the info you need there
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Old 06-10-2008, 06:42 PM
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We aren't sweeping anything under the carpet at all, we have breeding guidelines and most are using them
MC was removed from the committee by an overwhelming vote for breaking confidentiality, research will still carry on with or without MC, like I said please read the Cavalier club website, you will find all the info you need there
I'm been a bit thick tonight
Point me in the right direction Rach I can't find the info
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Old 06-10-2008, 06:44 PM
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Go to "Cavalier health"
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Old 06-10-2008, 08:13 PM
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Re: Another disaster for pedigree dogs ?

From, what little I know, the MRI scans for SM aren't conclusive and the Cav club are trying to accumulate DNA evidence in conjunction with the scans, so a DNA tests for SM becomes available, and dogs can be named as either carrier, clear or affected.

Also, from what I can gather, if the Cav mentioned to have SM in PDE is bred to dogs tested and thought to be clear, then the offspring produced cannot be affected, only carriers. So, what is the difference between breeding them, and, for example, a Staff that is affected to a non carrier, or a carrier to a non carrier? The resulting offspring will not be symtomatic, and if careful breeding is implimented, then eventually SM would become non existant in cavs.

Considering the other inaccuracies in this programme, I fail to believe they were entirely honest in this part of the programme either.
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Old 06-10-2008, 08:15 PM
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From, what little I know, the MRI scans for SM aren't conclusive and the Cav club are trying to accumulate DNA evidence in conjunction with the scans, so a DNA tests for SM becomes available, and dogs can be named as either carrier, clear or affected.

Also, from what I can gather, if the Cav mentioned to have SM in PDE is bred to dogs tested and thought to be clear, then the offspring produced cannot be affected, only carriers. So, what is the difference between breeding them, and, for example, a Staff that is affected to a non carrier, or a carrier to a non carrier? The resulting offspring will not be symtomatic, and if careful breeding is implimented, then eventually SM would become non existant in cavs.

Considering the other inaccuracies in this programme, I fail to believe they were entirely honest in this part of the programme either.
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