Yep, Ellamay my daughter has had that at a show with the Puli she handles

Welcome to my world,I'm always defending my breed,not with regards to health but because of what they were originally bred for.

Take plenty of no notice

Rach what is "your breed"? Spellweaver, what is the white dog between the "Bergies"? Love "Mopdogs".

She's a bergie too, but she's younger and her coat isn't fully formed yet - here's a better pic:

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And this is what she is like now:

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Cavaliers for my sins, Healthy Cavaliers

I think part of the problem with cross breeds is that on the one hand breeders are criticised for charging a lot of money for them and on the other for not doing the relevant health checks. Yes, I paid a lot of money for my cross breeds but the relevant health checks were done and I have had good support from the breeder. I did expect to pay a lot of money because I am sure all the checks done weren't cheap - knowing vets fees I expect they were very expensive.

I know the stud dog the breeder used was a very good dog and I would expect to pay for that as well.

If the breeders were to charge less they wouldn't cover the cost of breeding and carrying out the checks. They are in a no-win situation. Sell their dogs cheap and don't carry out the checks for which they would be criticised or carry out the checks and pass on the cost to the purchaser and again they are criticised for the high prices.

Jane

LOL it basically comes down to ignorance doesn't it? some people have no idea what so ever, and some just dont care.I've just come off the phone to my sons M in L she is just unbelievable. Just told me she has bought 3 more pups, that's 8 in all now over the last year. Needless to say they are all crossbred/ DD what you will. Some are Cavie x Poodle some are Cavie x Lhasa,there are dogs and bitches as she intends to breed, some she is taking to her friends Cavie, the woman is 'mental'.eek: I tried telling her about the controversy there is about what she intends to do, but was told "there's money in it I can get over £700 for pups" I had to get off the phone before I caused a massive row. My son is back off holiday today, he is going to go spare, and I am gobsmackedmad:
Mary
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You've inadvertantly hit the nail on the head. The point is that unless you are a puppy farmer, churning litter after litter out, there is no money to be made in breeding dogs. Most pedigree owners and breeders know this. They breed for things other than money - check out the "why do you breed" thread. The fact that breeders of these new designer breeds expect to make money from it, and the fact that the people who buy them expect the breeders to make money out of it, is another reason why established pedigree breeders view them with trepidation and suspicion.



Here is my contrubution to the thread I mentioned above, explaining why I think there is no money to be made from breeding dogs:

From a litter of four or five pedigree pups, you would be lucky to break even, never mind make money. It may seem as though you would at first glance - five pups at £500.00 each - but when you look at the costs of breeding, you'd soon change your mind. First of all there's the stud fee to pay, which is usually the cost of one of the puppies, and the petrol costs and maybe an overnight stay cost of getting your bitch to the stud dog. Next you have to have a different insurance, which is much more expensive than the normal insurance. Then there's all the equipment, eg birthing box, puppy pen, vet bedding, etc etc through to such things as a special "banana" shaped bottle to hand feed if necesary. Then there are the vets fees - fees to check that your bitch is healthy before you begin, and to have all the necessary health checks done if they aren't already done, fees to check whether or not she is pregnant, fees every time you take her because you're a bit worried about something, fees for the puppies to be checked once they are born - and that's without anything going wrong and emergency vets having to be called in the middle of the night! Then there's the cost of feeding and looking after the puppies and their mum, worming medicine, maybe the first injection for all the pups, unpaid time off work because you aren't allowed enough paid holidays to look after puppies for eight weeks. If you are registering the puppies with the Kennel Club you have the registration fees to pay (as well as your yearly fee to maintain your affix, plus a yearly fee to the KC if you are a KC Accredited Breeder). Then there are advertising costs, and petrol costs to go and do house checks. You need to be prepared and financially able to take back and rehome any puppies whose new homes don't work out, and you need to be able to give any support the new owners of your puppies need, which could incur things such as petrol and telephone costs.

So, unless you are a puppy farmer, there is not much money to be made in having a litter of pups!

Understand exactly why you are so angry Mary. This is a good example of the kind of people who, in the main, are jumping onto the bandwagon just to make money. mad: Anyone who wonders why people are so against designer breeds ought to read this!

In my opinion this isnt the problem, my problem is with the ones that don't do any health screening, breed any two dogs together with no thought for what will be produced and then still charge silly prices for the pups.

If the breeder does all the health screening then by all means charge a price that reflects that but they shouldn't be breeding for profit.