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Old 04-11-2008, 03:13 PM
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yep i do breed but not very oftenand i only do it if my dog and stud dog are both clear health tests ive just had my girl mri scanned and if it was not clear i would not have a litter from her simple as that.
As for your breed i carnt realy say as i dont now the breed but i would hate to see a dog suffering just to please the crowd.
I dont show my cavs and ive been told on this forum that i should to see if they are a good example of the breed but ive owned this breed for many years and i can say they are a good example with clear health checks and thats what is important to me
i do register my pups with the kc and all my dogs are kc reg and would only buy a kc dog and yes i would love see the kc make all breeders do health checks
You are obviously a shining example of what good breeders should be. Its so sad that the minority give the majority a bad name.

Would also like to thank you for addressing my points. I think you are the only one that did
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Old 04-11-2008, 03:43 PM
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Before I brought Luika, I called the KC to ask what checks they did on people registering their litters. They said none. Surely that cannot be right can it?

I think its the health aspect that people are questioning. Cavroony you breed Cavaliers don't you? We had a little cavalier when I was younger, and he was soooo adorable (but then they all are). We knew very little about the health problems of pedigree dogs, since my parents could never really afford one until we had Charley.

He was diagnosed with heart problems from a very early age. We had to have him put to sleep when he was 6, since he could hardly breath and our vet warned us that the kindest thing would be to let him go.

Surely, with responsible breeding something can be done to correct the awful problems that some pedigree dogs suffer. My breed (GSD) is terribly affected.

I received a phone call from one of my friends during Crufts, suggesting that I may be interested to see the GSD that had been brought over from Germany. Unlike the majority of the crowd, I was horrified to see the angulated back. The poor dog was almost tottering around the ring. Now surely, if Crufts were to change the breed standard, making the back straighter, it would go some way to preventing HD and spinal problems in future
Hi Nina,
I can ony answer from my breeds point of view,
My dogs are clear from diseases which affect our breed,
Tylers sire was a Carrier for L2 as soon as his owner knew this he was withdrawn from stud and castrated.
We had Tyler tested shortly afterwards,his results came back as clear.
My bitch again is from tested stock and Clear,but will never be bred from.
We breed occassionly when WE want something,we never have and never will breed for others.
We have waiting lists for our puppies way before we plan to mate our bitch,our dog only goes to approved bitches,it makes no odds to us if there shown or not,but they MUST be KC Registered,free from endorsements,a good exampe of the breed with a solid temprament and most importantly be tested clear for diseases which affect our breed.
I make sure I see the bitch,pedigree,KC Registration and the test certificates before I allow him to be used.

I can't help with CKC Or GSD,as they are not my breed and I'm not that familar with them,Sorry.
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Old 04-11-2008, 03:49 PM
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Re: Pedigree Dogs Exposed Petition

An irregular heartbeat is not a murmer
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Re: Pedigree Dogs Exposed Petition

Could I just mention that Cavaliers are known to have had an irregular Heart Beat since the 1950's ,I think it's just someting they have,

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Old 05-11-2008, 08:19 AM
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oohh whats the difference between a murmour and irregular heart beat?
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Old 05-11-2008, 08:37 AM
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oohh whats the difference between a murmour and irregular heart beat?
a murmur is usually caused by a hole in the heart, an irregular heartbeat is just that.
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Old 05-11-2008, 02:58 PM
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Re: Pedigree Dogs Exposed Petition

Well i'd have no problem signing it but i'm in Ireland so i can't. We have a lot of english lines in our dogs so it makes perfect sense to me that if things improve in the UK, we'll see the benefits over here.

Regarding the first reply criticising the wording - it's a petition to make the Gov take notice, all the nitty gritty details would be sorted out between the KC and the Gov, i don't think the wording makes any real difference.

If you have the best interests of the dogs at heart, what harm can it do to sign it.
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Old 05-11-2008, 03:12 PM
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Well i'd have no problem signing it but i'm in Ireland so i can't. We have a lot of english lines in our dogs so it makes perfect sense to me that if things improve in the UK, we'll see the benefits over here.

Regarding the first reply criticising the wording - it's a petition to make the Gov take notice, all the nitty gritty details would be sorted out between the KC and the Gov, i don't think the wording makes any real difference.

If you have the best interests of the dogs at heart, what harm can it do to sign it.
I think a lot of people will agree with you Jimbob
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Old 08-11-2008, 06:28 PM
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I received a phone call from one of my friends during Crufts, suggesting that I may be interested to see the GSD that had been brought over from Germany. Unlike the majority of the crowd, I was horrified to see the angulated back(actually you mean topline). The poor dog was almost tottering around the ring. Now surely, if Crufts were to change the breed standard, making the back straighter, it would go some way to preventing HD and spinal problems in future

That's a very interesting statement. There are however a few glaring errors
1.Backs are not "angulated"Angulation is basically formed by the lay of the shoulders in the forequarters & the turn of stifle in the hindquarters plus the length of the legs
2.Crufts do not write or regulate the breed standard
3.The slope of the back as nothing to do with HD or DM(the GSD spinal"problem"). If HD could be reduced by all GSDs having level(rather that"straight"toplines than why do Labradors & other breeds which have level toplines have a higher incidence of HD than GSDs ?
Which of these dogs would you think as the best hips ?
This one with sloping topline

or this one with an almost level/straight topline

As for Zamp"tottering" around the ring this is a dog with Sch H III, IPO III & AD qualifications(The AD is the endurance test during which the dog is gaited beside a bike at a set speed & over a set distance-not just round a tiny ring once or twice)who also gaited around half a football pitch to become the German Sieger-not something could do if he could only totter.

Of course any changes the UK KC bring in to the GSD breed standard would have no effect on this years BOB @ Crufts as he is a German bred & German owned dog.

Back on topic, there's no way I would sign to support Ms Cuddy & Mr Mears(sp?)stance on pedigree dogs.

& before Ms Cuddy jumps into to slag me off here's my bitch's KC health tests

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Health Results for Maradonar Dragon Dancer At Rayre

Test Result/Status Date
TNS Clear 8th February 2008
CEA/CH Clear 18th February 2008
CL Clear 25th February 2008
( I'm waiting for her hip score)
& her full brother's tests
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Test Result/Status Date
CL Clear 25th February 2005
TNS Clear 8th February 2008
CEA/CH Clear 18th February 2008
(he's not old enough to be eye screened for PRA or hip scored)

Now I may or may not breed from them(not together obviously)as Jessie hasn't yet had a proper season & if her hips are scored as I expect them to be I will not be breeding from her & Wukee is way too young yet anyway
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Old 09-11-2008, 05:26 PM
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Re: Pedigree Dogs Exposed Petition

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a murmur is usually caused by a hole in the heart, an irregular heartbeat is just that.
That's news to me-Murmurs in cavaliers are lnked to Mitral Valve Disease nothing to do with a hole in the heart. Irregular hearts beats are quite common in dogs & nothing to worry about if it is minor
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