Pedigree Dogs Exposed Petition - Page 3

Shane · #21 (**permalink**) 31-10-2008, 10:57 AM

It seems to me that the direction of many breed standards has gone the wrong way and is more about showing, and breeding from so called champions than it is to do with the health of the dog.
The GSD,s that you see in the show ring are ridiculously low at the back, Who made this the breed standard? It certainly wasn't done in the best interest of the breed.

There is much criticism on the forum of so called back yard breeders but I think there are just as many so called profession breeders that are in it for the money and the glory and are willing to put this above animal welfare.

If the show standard breeders had it their way every GSD would have a ski slope for a spine.

Obviously though, this is a complex issue and and there are good arguments in both directions, but I think the main issue is, Are breeders willing to breed to a standard that is detrimental to the dogs health?
I think quite a lot of them are.

sallyanne · #22 (**permalink**) 31-10-2008, 12:17 PM

So where do the BYB and PF's enter into all this ?
The ones that consistantly breed sick,unhealthy puppies,oh they take a back seat while we pick on good honest reputable breeder's and the KC.
Instead of the KC we could always use DLRC,the registry that actually supports puppy farming,the club that states they have ethics,really I haven't seen much evidence of this......

What about dogs r us,they are known to be buying puppies from puppy farmers,why despite all the capaigning are they still allowed to do so.

Animal welfare stinks in the uk!!!!!

mad:

bet hargreaves · #23 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 09:30 AM

Could I join in in this discussion ,I have just joined this Group .

My Breed is the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel .

The Breed is afflicted with MVD Heart Trouble .

50% of Cavaliers could have a Heart Murmer by 5 years of age .

That means that ,of the 11,000 Cavaliers Registered last year ,in 5 years time 6,000 of those Puppies could have a Heart Murmer.

While I don't know how Mandatory Health Testing will work for other Breeds for their Health Problems ,I sure feel that for the Cavalier Breed ,that the Sires and Dams should be Heart Tested ,if that has not been done ,then their Cavalier Puppies should not be Registered by the Kennel Club.

Bet Hargreaves

sallyanne · #24 (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan Bell

I have signed the petition that started off this thread, and feel no reason why I have to justify this to anybody. Whether you choose to do so or not is entirely up to you, as everybody is entitled to their own opinions on whether this will help or not.

However, I am posting, once only, to make the point that it is a pity that "Spellweaver" feels that the best way to conduct a debate is to trash anybody who does not agree with his/her point of view.

Please note that Beverley Cuddy has given a full repsonse to the allegations made and asked for anybody who has questions to e-mail her. Please also note that those who are making these allegations (not only on this board) choose to remain anonymous.

Beverley Cuddy has always been quite open about her opinions, and feels no need to hide them. If you don't like them fine, but please don't repeat unfounded allegations in an effort to discredit her opinons.

There are many opinions about how dog health will be improved, and there is nothing wrong and everything good in debating these. Perhaps now that Beverley Cuddy has replied to "Spellweaver" he/she would like to respond in public with either an apology or a reason why they felt these allegations were true.

Mmmmm,
No intro but diving straight into a post to try and discredit another member,Spellweaver will do what she feels is correct,Perhaps if you have a problem with her you should take it to PM,this is going off topic.

Nina · #25 (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 02:22 PM

I think the choice to sign any petition, is a personal one, and peoples choices should be very much respected.

As I have said on many occasions, forums should be a place of FRIENDLY debate, not one where people are constantly baiting or berating for their views.

JANICE199 · #26 (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nina Cole

I think the choice to sign any petition, is a personal one, and peoples choices should be very much respected.

As I have said on many occasions, forums should be a place of FRIENDLY debate, not one where people are constantly baiting or berating for their views.

good post Nina.
I appreciate we are not all going to agree and sometimes its best to agree to disagree.my personal oppion on kc reg. pups,is its not worth the paper its written on..as byb and puppy farms can reg. their pups as well.

jackson · #27 (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JANICE199

my personal oppion on kc reg. pups,is its not worth the paper its written on..as byb and puppy farms can reg. their pups as well.

If you have alook janice, the KC are re-froming their acreddited breeder scheme so that there is a difference between the good breeders and the BYB's and puppy farmers.

One thing is for sure, I have never met or heard of what I would call a good breeder who does not KC register.

JANICE199 · #28 (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackson

If you have alook janice, the KC are re-froming their acreddited breeder scheme so that there is a difference between the good breeders and the BYB's and puppy farmers.

One thing is for sure, I have never met or heard of what I would call a good breeder who does not KC register.

As things stand,correct me if i'm wrong,we have 3 choices, good breeders,byb,and puppy farms. correct? and ALL 2 can reg. their litters with the kc..when and if the kc change this, then i might change my oppion.

sallyanne · #29 (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackson

If you have alook janice, the KC are re-froming their acreddited breeder scheme so that there is a difference between the good breeders and the BYB's and puppy farmers.

One thing is for sure, I have never met or heard of what I would call a good breeder who does not KC register.

Agree

They are also cracking down and want supporting evidence when Breeders are registering a large litter.
They will also be carrying out spot checks on AB's.

jackson · #30 (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JANICE199

As things stand,correct me if i'm wrong,we have 3 choices, good breeders,byb,and puppy farms. correct? and ALL 2 can reg. their litters with the kc..when and if the kc change this, then i might change my oppion.

Well, one thing is for sure. If you buy a non KC registered puppy, you are undoubtedly buying from a BYB or puppy farmer, to varying degrees. (I do think some BYB's are worse than others)

I have just said, puppy farmers and BYB's will not be able to register as AB's on the new KC scheme. I am just about to rush out for the school run, but maybe Sallyanne can find the right link for me if she is about?

(cheeky, I know!) Or I'll post when I get back.

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