In an ideal world that would happen, but the KC makes far more money from BYB's and puppy farmers than decent responsible breeders, so imagine the revenue that would be lost?

Revenue that the RSPCA are happy to take as charitable donations.....

No, go back and read what I put. I said there is no point in signing a petitition asking the Kennel Club to "prevent unhealthy physical exaggerations being rewarded and stop the culling of healthy non-standard pups by changing breed standards" because the Kennel Club already prevent unhealthy physical exaggerations being rewarded and do not allow the culling of healthy non-standard pups by changing breed standards.

Most BYB and puppy farms like breed thier bitches at every season and well past the KC age limit, so I don't think the KC gets very much revenue out of them.confused:
Mary
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Of course it does. Just because they can't register every litter with the KC, it doesn't mean they don't register the litters they can. or add extra puppies onto the litter they do register to use later on. Puppy farmers are fully awre that KC pups sell for more than unregistered ones.

To answer Bindura's question as to where I got the information on Pugs

The Orthopaedic Foundation for Animals is a US based organization (charity I believe) that among other activities to promote animal welfare has an open data base of test results for health checks. I use the one for Dogs. You can search for statistics on Breeds or results on individual dogs. (Google for OFA)

Up to the end of 2007, a total of 364 Pugs had been hip-scored. Of these 0.0% were rated as Excellent and 62.1% rated as Dysplastic (by simple arithmetic 37.9% of Pugs would fall in the normal/borderline grades - if you want more detail you can get it from the database but it takes a bit more time)

In the UK, up to 2005 (latest figures I have) 19 Pugs have been hip-scored in a twenty year period and the Breed Mean Score is 22, on a scale where 20 is generally regarded as dysplastic - so 100% of the UK Pugs tested are dysplastic. Now I do think that one should be very cautious about extrapolating from very low samples into sweeping statements, which is why I would normally not quote these UK figures as being breed representative. But you also have to consider that only dogs that are though to be good of their type are hip-scored, so if these are the best the Pug breeders and owners can come up with, I think there is a serious problem with the breed that is being ignored.

As to the eye problems and breathing difficulties, I just generally read breed profiles on a couple of dog sites where health issues are highlighted.

If your dogs are healthy, with no eye, breathing or hip problems, I'm pleased for you.
Perhaps you should consider hip scoring so you can say with certainty the hips are OK - their is no other way.

I'd just say that problems with hip dysplasia vary from one individual dog to another, and some moderately dysplastic dogs shown no symptoms of pain while others only mildly dysplastic need to be on painkillers. It is also a problem that is age related as the symptoms get worse as the joint wears and becomes more malformed with age - generally called arthritis.

This is not meant to go off thread about the petition, but a fair question deserves a fair answer.

Sgurr

Just to add that not 100% of pugs in the UK are above a score of 20 (although 22 is only an average, so some will be above and below) because my two have been scored, one 10 and the other 15 and in the BRS I found one more with 17.

Yes they will register up to the limit but don't register all the other litters they breed. So therefore dont give the KC any more cash than a bonafide breeder. Which is what you first post hinted at.
I don't know why some breeders give the KC such a hard time, they are after all basically just a registration body not the law of the land.
Mary
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They do give the KC more cash because puppy farmers and BYB's breed far more litters than the decent breeders.

Although some good breeders do breed more often, most decent breeders I know only breed at maximum one or two litters at most a year, and no more than 2 or 3 litters from any one bitch. Plenty breed far less than that, maybe once every 6 or 7 years.

There are FAR more BYB's/pet breeder and puppy farmers than decent breeders, registering far more liteers. You only need to look at the BRS to get an idea of the numbers.

Bindura,

Delighted to see that you have scored yours. Do you have the latest figures for Pugs in the UK? How many have been scored now and what is the new BMS?

Could you PM me if you have so we don't go off thread.
Thanks,

Sgurr

I wont be signing it either-sorry

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