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Old 12-07-2011, 10:43 AM
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Re: Dog on dog aggression, how should it be dealt with in the law?

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Currently there is no legislation regarding dog on dog aggression, except for if humans have instigated their fights and possibly if the injured dog is a guide dog.

For the purpose of this thread I refer to attacks that occur at random when out and about with our dogs, not organised dog fighting.

What laws would you like to implement?

How serious would the attack have to be before the authorities stepped in?

What penalties would you like to see against a dog that’d done serious damage to another dog?

Who would police it, how would they collect evidence and prosecute offenders?

How could it be proved which dog was the instigator and which dog was acting in self defence when an altercation occurred? Because sometimes a dog that instigates a fight ends up being the one who gets injured most so I think it would be very difficult to be sure in a lot of cases.

Where would you see the extra funding come from to pay for the laws being enforced when we are already seeing cuts in many services including the Police?

Would we need to have compulsory dog insurance to cover liability and legal fees if dog on dog aggression was legislated against, similar to car insurance?

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I think that would be the biggest problem. Criminal law generally seems to require a high level of evidence to get a conviction. It can also be unfairly used and abused with, as you mention, the winner being seen as the culprit. Owning a large fighting breed, I would be very worried of a small dog starting a fight with one of them and it being seen as my fault.
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Re: Dog on dog aggression, how should it be dealt with in the law?

I assume you mean the owner would be prosecuted, not the dog.
Dogs are property in law. You could sue the owner for damages. On the other hand you would have to prove you took steps to protect your own `property`.
You cannot take a dog to court. An animal is not responsible for its actions in law.
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Re: Dog on dog aggression, how should it be dealt with in the law?

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I'd report the dog saying that you or whoever felt threatened and kick up a massive fuss if they don't listen.

I think that is happening more now. This is an example of that where a dog has been ultimately killed, yet the woman felt threatened by the dog meaning it was then deemed as dangerosuly out of control.

This is Leicestershire | A terrier had to be put to sleep after being attacked by a larger dog, a court heard.
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Re: Dog on dog aggression, how should it be dealt with in the law?

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I think that is happening more now. This is an example of that where a dog has been ultimately killed, yet the woman felt threatened by the dog meaning it was then deemed as dangerosuly out of control.

This is Leicestershire | A terrier had to be put to sleep after being attacked by a larger dog, a court heard.
Thanks for this. With regards to the incident with Ruby I can now use this info if the Dog Warden and/or Police refuse to act as it has set a precedence. It is very similar to what happened to her with both dogs being off lead.
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Re: Dog on dog aggression, how should it be dealt with in the law?

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I think that is happening more now. This is an example of that where a dog has been ultimately killed, yet the woman felt threatened by the dog meaning it was then deemed as dangerosuly out of control.
And I see this as a problem. Lady owner, small dog... will always be innocent and be able to declare they "feel threatened". If you feel threatened by a small chihuahua you'd be laughed out of court regardless of the actual truth. It wouldn't matter if the chihuahua was truly out of control as it simply wouldn't be classified as dangerous to most people.
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And I see this as a problem. Lady owner, small dog... will always be innocent and be able to declare they "feel threatened". If you feel threatened by a small chihuahua you'd be laughed out of court regardless of the actual truth. It wouldn't matter if the chihuahua was truly out of control as it simply wouldn't be classified as dangerous to most people.
Its a thin line between protecting those people taht actually need it, and the cases where you state above.

I've posted on another thread that it irritates me when people with small dogs think their size is an excuse for bad behaviour, but I have successfully made an owner muzzle her pug in public as it bit me after I got in the way of it attacking Roo when he was small, and it had also bit a bloke as he stopped it going for his child as well.

Dogs are dogs, and in my opinion smaller ones aggressive behaviour should not be excused because of their size, but like wise, those people that clearly cannot control a bigger dog shouldn't have it somehwere it can do damage.
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Re: Dog on dog aggression, how should it be dealt with in the law?

From experience, there is nothing anyone will do. I was bitten by a choc lab who ran acroos the road to attack my shepard, my dog on lead his not. My dog put it to the ground to protect my girls, but other dog tried to bite mine under her tummy but got my knee, I was unable to walk for a week. My opinion is that if an owner is unable to control a dog they should give it to someone who can or muzzle it. The dog lives 50 ft from a kids play park, what would happen if a child got caught in the middle of 2 dogs. The man just grabbed his dog put it on lead and walked off without even stopping to check me and the girls were ok. Police had there hands tied as bloke said dog brooke free (not true), and it didnt break my skin as I had jeans on, it was not considered a serious injury! The law is an ass. My dog has issues with men and other dogs so I will keep her on the lead unless I know it is safe to let her off, and if I am uncertain if other people are around I will muzzle her too, although she does not bite, she jumps on the other dog and stands over it waiting to play but because she is a large shep, they have a bad reputation as a breed and I would hate to lose her
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