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Old 03-01-2008, 07:02 PM
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Mine are crated,both at night & when we are out so they would have to deliberatly let them out.
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Old 03-01-2008, 07:05 PM
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I hear you have Jan-C locked up in a crate too?
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Old 03-01-2008, 07:10 PM
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I hear you have Jan-C locked up in a crate too?
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Old 03-01-2008, 07:11 PM
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there is always an excuse... anything can happen... what if your bitch escaped? it can always happen!! nothing is impossible even when great care is taken!!
She shouldn't be able to escape. Unless she is being used for breeding she should be spayed anyway...
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Pups that are not registered,Accidental litters,Parents not tested etc....
Is there any excuse?
I believe not,to me it's basic ownership.If you own an entire dog & bitch you need to be responsible & keep them apart,if you can't do that get one of them neutered.

Accidental litters,I believe alot of BYB's use this excuse when it simply was not an accident,but a money making excerise.
Not testing,again it cuts into the profit of BYB's,so they don't bother.

Your thoughts & views?

If you have seen my first posts on this forum then you will know I very very strongly agree.

If an accident occurs then something can be done about it (injections or spaying).

If a litter arrives unexpectedly because the mating was not known about, then serious consideration should be given whether it should be reared in it's entirety, it may be more responsible to have all but two pups humanely Put to sleep (horrid thought but shouldn't' really get that far if the bitch were properly supervised or spayed, jabbed or spayed after mating).

Rearing the whole litter should only be undertaken if the breeder is prepared to take lifelong responsibility for the pups by identifying them by chip or tattoo to ensure they do not help swell the already bursting rescue centres, most often after their cuteness wears off.

Vetting potential new owners is an acquired skill. I don't think it is any coincidence that I had to help re-home pups from my earliest litters, but more rarely from more recent ones.
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Old 10-01-2008, 04:32 AM
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there is always an excuse... anything can happen... what if your bitch escaped? it can always happen!! nothing is impossible even when great care is taken!!
I had my first bitch give me the slip when I opened the door to the postman. I didn't realise that bitches were as keen to be mated as any male would be to get to them.

When I got her back she went to the Vet for a jab. In those days it was the one that started their season again and carried a high risk of Pyometra, but I still did it.

I was glad I did. Turns out that one of her sisters was Epileptic.

It was only found out after the litter my bitch came from was born that a litter brother of the Mum was Epileptic, the owner never let the breeder know, and it was only on a change of ownership of the dog that the new owner let them know of his condition, so it was a spot of shutting the stable door after the horse had bolted.

When I was told I had her spayed.

When I decided that I wanted to breed from my current breed I made the decision to only keep bitches on the premises as avoiding accidents in a multi occupied household would be difficult.

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Old 10-01-2008, 04:42 AM
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The Kennel Club in some occasions may allow castrated or spayed dogs and bitches to still be shown. However, permission must be applied for to the Kennel Club and a full explanation given as to why they have been done. In the case of a male being castrated, the Kennel Club would probably not give permission for showing unless the male had produced any progony (It would be very similar with a bitch, but with a bitch it isn't as obvious that bits are missing, some people may get away with not informing the KC) It would also have to be an outstanding example of any breed for a judge to place a dog which had been castrated, and a brave judge at that! In most breed standards it asks for males to have two descending testicles. Not to have these would be classed as a serious/disqualifying fault. Any opperations that alter a dog/bitch have to be reported to the Kennel Club and permission ask for to still exhibit them.
Actually you do not need permission to show neutered dogs or bitches, just inform them.

The rules when I first started showing in 1989 were that neutered dogs could be shown as long as they had registered progeny (there was no requirement to inform the Kennel club).

Otherwise a letter from the Vet giving health reason for neutering was required.

I cannot remember exactly when they changed it, (the rule is printed under the preparation of dogs for exhibiting etc rules in every show schedule) but the current rules came into force around the early 1990's.

It goes:
3. No act or operation which alters the natural conformation of a dog or any part thereof may be
performed except:
(a) Operations certified to the satisfaction of the General Committee.
(b) The removal of dew claws of any breed.
(c) Operations to prevent breeding provided that such operations are notified to the Kennel Club
before neutered dogs are shown.
Nor must anything be done calculated in the opinion of the General Committee to deceive.


The bold and underlining are mine.

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