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Old 08-09-2008, 07:33 PM
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Re: Play Fighting

we play fight and they know when i say stop i mean stop.
everyone who plays with my dogs know if they say stop they will stop. and the dogs learnt from a young age if playing tug of war and i say leave or give they have to stop.
as long as you teach them enough is enough then i see no prob's
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Old 08-09-2008, 08:19 PM
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Re: Play Fighting

We all play fight with the dogs in our house. Anyway I though as pups it teaches them how far they can go - like when they played with their littermates.

I have 3 kids and I can honestly say my dogs have never hurt them while playing rough with them or any other time (oh apart from once when Sid wagged his tail so hard my daughter got a black eye lol)
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Old 08-09-2008, 08:39 PM
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Re: Play Fighting

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so what is your opinion on playing rough with an akita???
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It depends on

a. How well trained the Akita is
b. The home environment i.e. young children around
c. The Akita's individual temperament

As you probably know, Akita's were used as fighting dogs in Japan early 1900's, so they weren't originally bred to be soft mouthed. However through natural crossing with native retrievers the modern Akita is soft mouthed, so this might be something that you want to preserve.

In general it is the retriever breeds that are soft mouthed as it was (and still is for those who hunt), their jobs to bring prey back intact and suitable for the table.

Rough play-fighting with dogs does not (in general), turn non-aggressive dogs in to aggressive dogs. But then it doesn't take an aggressive dog to inadvertently bite a child during play, just an over-excited one.

So my preference is to always teach dogs (especially large powerful breeds), how to play nice.
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Old 08-09-2008, 09:26 PM
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Re: Play Fighting

my dogs playfight with each other a lot!!!!
i play rough with them both, rottie occassionally gets over excited and jumps and play bites but it never really hurts (just the odd bruise)

ridgeback however, really nice and saft but his claws are always sharp (lots of scratches) and he has a problem knowing where the end of his nose is. unfortunatly this has lead to many hours of pain in the nose, teeth and general face area. hes worth it tho. you can sometimes get away with it if your quick enough. lol
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Old 09-09-2008, 07:50 AM
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Re: Play Fighting

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Hi,

It depends on

a. How well trained the Akita is
b. The home environment i.e. young children around
c. The Akita's individual temperament

As you probably know, Akita's were used as fighting dogs in Japan early 1900's, so they weren't originally bred to be soft mouthed. However through natural crossing with native retrievers the modern Akita is soft mouthed, so this might be something that you want to preserve.

In general it is the retriever breeds that are soft mouthed as it was (and still is for those who hunt), their jobs to bring prey back intact and suitable for the table.

Rough play-fighting with dogs does not (in general), turn non-aggressive dogs in to aggressive dogs. But then it doesn't take an aggressive dog to inadvertently bite a child during play, just an over-excited one.

So my preference is to always teach dogs (especially large powerful breeds), how to play nice.
1. cassie is moderately trained will follow basic commands i.e sit, no, paw, laydown but has decided to ingnore everything else
2.We do have young have young children but cassie never tries to play with them like she know who her playmate is.
3. cassie is sometime a liitle bossy but more than anything is nervous

i think if anything the play fighting has built her confidence
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:28 AM
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Re: Play Fighting

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I think it depends on the breed, for example I have always owned Weimaraner's and as a breed they are soft mouthed, and I like it staying that way

Playing tug would make them grip harder with their mouth, so I wouldn't want that, so no tug toys for my Weims.

I play loads of other games though, but nothing that would encourage being too mouthy as I have kids around

I have Golden Retrievers and it is an old fashioned myth that playing tug gives dogs a hard mouth. We play tug with all of ours and they all have very soft mouths and very, very good bite inhibition. The oldest one is trained to the gun and goes out picking up and has never damaged a bird. OH also uses her to retrieve rabbits he shoots and again, they have never been damaged. (as an aside, someone trie dot ell us that feeding her whole rabbits would prevent her being used to pick up as she'd just eat the rabbits..... )

Middle one also being trained to retriever game and has also never damaged anything. Youngest (7 months) is going in the show ring but wil be retrieving when older, so we'll see. All of them can happily carry an egg in their mouths without damaging it though.

As for play fighting...... I have children, the youngest of whom has Downs Syndrome so it is an absolute must that the dogs behave appropriately around the children. We (hubbyand I) play fight with all of the dogs, which can and does include them mouthing us. it is and never will be for one simple reason. The dogs are not allowed to instigate the play fighting and always end it instantly on command, regardless of how excited they get.
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:34 AM
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I play rough with my three. Very rough with Milo, he gets slid along the floor, bashed into walls, slapped, pinned to the floor, punched and bitten. He gives as good as he gets or worse! He isn't scared, neither of us get hurt (most the time ) and we both enjoy it. I'm not so rough with the pups but we're working up to it, if I start a play fight with Milo the pups will come and join in, they've never been forced to play fight.

I think it's benefitted Trinny no end. She was very nervous and acted like we were going to beat her all the time when we first got her. Play fighting has built up her confidence and showed her that a raised hand is not something to be feared. We just have to stop her being scared of food bowls now!

Does it heck lead to aggression. Granted some dogs might not like it and of course if they are scared will be aggressive but that doesn't mean play fighting will lead to an aggressive dog.
We do the exact thing with Isis as she was terrified of most things but now is doing really well, Both me and kev maul the dogs and we have never been hurt, neither have the dogs but yet when kev's grandkids come to stay and they maul the dogs, both dogs just lay there and take it they love the attention and clearly no the difference with who can play rough and who cant x
In my opinion its a good thing with the exception of owners who have no control of their dogs and things could escalate quickly then it could be a bad thing x
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Re: Play Fighting

i dont play fight with mine as they start pulling my hair so hard it hurts and they do not let go. They dont bite me or anything like that but my hair seems to be like a toy for them
They do play fight with each other

I do play tug with my dogs .... they enjoy it, i enjoy it. and by winning most of the time they maybe see that im the better one hehe
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Old 09-09-2008, 11:22 AM
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i dont play fight with mine as they start pulling my hair so hard it hurts and they do not let go. They dont bite me or anything like that but my hair seems to be like a toy for them
They do play fight with each other

I do play tug with my dogs .... they enjoy it, i enjoy it. and by winning most of the time they maybe see that im the better one hehe
IMO play fighting is an intricate part of interacting with your dog !
If you don't want to interact then go buy a gold fish or a lizard for gods sake
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IMO play fighting is an intricate part of interacting with your dog !
If you don't want to interact then go buy a gold fish or a lizard for gods sake
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