If you can read what i said, i cant be arsed to take advice of someone i never asked advice from.

if i had asked for your input i would have openly asked, i didnt ask once for your opinion and you shouldnt have given it, you dont know me and you can presume what you like. im not going to waste my time explaining myself to someone like you, get your head out of your arse. When someone asks for your opinion then save all your time for them. I am not a breeder and although i am a responsible person these things happen. how many unplanned children are there out their, plenty, how many of these unplanned children are born with down syndrome the minority. How many people contract killer diseases once born? my dog i suppose has its own reasons why it is not Kc registered but i was willing to give the animal a well loved home. mistakes happen and im sorry we cannot all be as perfect as you make yourself out to be.

All my so called MUNGRELS are now sold, and i showed this thread to 3 of the new owners and they all laughed at you, your pathetic. God gave us all these breeds of dog and it is only human interference that keeps dogs mating with their respective breeds. So depending on your beliefs about interference with gods plan then you are fighting a losing battle against the bible. Kc means nothing to me only that the pet i have is given a good home is what matters..

this is my last post to you and i wont be returning to see your reply i try and block negative people like yourself from my life and i will do so now.

If you want to carry on this conversation then do so standing next to your mirror, so you can see how perfect you really are.

Thanks Elena there are still some nice people in the world, and the majority of the time someone like yourself makes a nice positive post thanks.

You said Quote "I cant be arsed to read all this crap you have spent writing."
Health testing is NOT CRAP,it's important.
And this is the reason why so many Rescues struggle!!!
I just wonder how many of your pups will end up in that situation.But you probably won't care because you've had your money.
Oh & I've never claimed to be perfect,but I'm not stupid, & I do right by my dogs & that means testing & been responsible.
Lets just hope in the current climate with the DDA that none of these dogs turn out to be Type...

Yes things happen,but it's how we choose to deal with it which makes the difference.
Whats the saying,Ignorance is bliss......

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Puppy buyers should research the breed, and ask the breeder about health tests - if the new owners laughed at the posts voicing concerns about hereditary problems, they don't sound like responsible owners and I feel sorry for the future of the pups.

When I am looking for a puppy, one of the first things I ask about is health tests - if the breeder has not done them, I would not consider buying from them.

Thanks,
I was voicing my concerns because these tests are important.

It's not responsible ethical Breeders that add to the rescue situation but it's through accidental litters,cross breeding & downright irresponsible breeding.(as I believe is the case here)

My pups when they leave here are endorsed & sold under a contract stating at whatever age if the owner can't keep the dog we Will ALWAYS take it back.We bred the dog so therefore that makes us responsible for it, for the rest of it's life.It's important that we find the best possible homes for them & we have a waiting list for pups.
We don't sell to just anyone,we have a questionaire for them to fill out,we talk about the breed and responsible ownership.

We see to many " accidental litters " that were on purpose, and then it's left for rescues to pick up the peices.

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i wasnt going to return but, they were laughing at how pathetic sallyanne is being. when i didnt even request her wonderfull contribution. they understand the importance of tests. As they have all paid a deposit which will go towards the cost of any tests the vet reccomends when i ask them. not once have i said that tests wont be carried out. After a little research i have found that both the sire and my bitch are both clear for all the tests you mention by the way and the only reason the pups arent Kc registered is because of my bitches father, there is no Kc number for him on her pedigree for some reason. which means she couldnt be Kc reg and the silly club ends there im afraid. Like i say all pups sold and are looking realy healthy im glad we had them in a way my bitch has done fantasticly. ill upload some more pics soon for your pleasure. For any that dont mind seeing our babies.

Could you please explain how your research has proved both the sire and dam are clear of all these diseases.
Unless you have certificates proving this word of mouth is useless I'm afraid.

Vets aren't up with tests for L2/HC and blood needs to be taken by them & sent to the AHT,along with the forms.I've previously explained PHPV & PPSC can only be done by specialist eye examiners and PPSC should be done annually.

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I dont need to explain myself to a nit picker. and i wont. if you have a problem get some help for it. i did not intend on getting attacked on what seemed to be a friendly website. you sit up on your perfect pedestal. I care more for animals more than you ever could because pieces of paper is all your worried about and the more tests you put your dogs through the more money it ensures you. I am making zilch from these pups and i never once planned too. Making money from interfering with dogs mating is cruel in my eye. people who knowingly mate dogs are the ones with the obsession and should think about why they arte doinf what they are doing. You say your improving a breed. If you go back far enough there will be another species of dog in your bloodlines and thats why KC is a farce to me. you cant get a total SBT all dogs are mungrels when you go back far enough.

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I think both of you have made good points. Everyone is entitled to an opinion yet no-one can force that upon another.
Might be better to call it quits and keep the forum a happy place to be?

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If caring about my dogs by testing them for hereditary diseases is nit picking then so be it.I want to ensure my pups live a long and happy life not a heartbreaking one whereby vet medication is needed to control a disease which with careful thought & consideration could have been avoided.
You say you care for your dogs I don't doubt that,but how you you possibly assume that I don't care for mine,I'm extremely fussy where my pups go,I test them for known diseases etc.......yet I don't care Yeah ok Whatever.
If that is the case why do I have people waiting for pups,that have been waiting for 12 months.These folks are prepared to wait because they want a well bred health tested puppy.We choose what we think is the best available stud dog,that will suit our bitch,research bloodlines for years beforehand,not use the dog around the corner just because.

Were not all the same as you I'm afraid,we don't just let dogs get on with it,because that's the way nature intended.If that is your answer may I suggest to take a trip to the local rescue kennels & see just how many SBT's & there crosses are there.Yet you feel the need to add to the problem.

You say the KC is a farce,well alot of people don't I'm afraid,it's more that a bit of paper to me,it gives me a complete traceable history of my dogs,what genetic,hereditary diseases are within there bloodlines.

Maybe you would like to take a look at this thread as i'm not the only who disagrees with this sort of breeding,
P.baker8

As I previously said I feel strongly about irresponsible breeding,I feel strongly about the health & welfare of my breed and I will make no apology for that!

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