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Old 24-12-2007, 02:38 PM
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Re: Weve got 8 Staff Bull Terrier pups!

Unfortunately staffies are going out of vogue at the moment, visit any dog rescue centre and the're full of them, their popularity was their downfall, seen as "Bling" they've now been ousted as the dog "to have" by the bigger mastiffs and mastiff crosses!

I hope you do find loving homes for your puppies cos I know staffies make excellent pets if trained corectly.
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Re: Weve got 8 Staff Bull Terrier pups!

well they may be going out of vogue but in the very short 24 hours ive had them on this site and other sites i have 4 left, but i must admit they have very desirable physiques and colours at the moment so not sure what i was worrying about
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Re: Weve got 8 Staff Bull Terrier pups!

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Unfortunately staffies are going out of vogue at the moment, visit any dog rescue centre and the're full of them, their popularity was their downfall, seen as "Bling" they've now been ousted as the dog "to have" by the bigger mastiffs and mastiff crosses!

I hope you do find loving homes for your puppies cos I know staffies make excellent pets if trained corectly.
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Re: Weve got 8 Staff Bull Terrier pups!

The black & tan's I doubt will change colour and is seen as a fault in SBT's.
Can I ask why there not KC'd?
And are they tested for L2/HC?
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Re: Weve got 8 Staff Bull Terrier pups!

this is not a perfect world. i am not allowed to call my self sir james fitzmaurice, but does it make me any less of a pedigree human. i think not. not sure why you are asking a question that would quite possibley have returned a very sarcastic reply from someone else. we are all not perfect and all i can be thankfull for is that the accident happened between two staffs and we havent ended up with mungrels. Ant the pups will be going for all their checks very soon and im not just trying to make a quick buck, they are beautifull looking staffs with all the correct breed standards. But this is not a surprise with two Champions in the sires bloodline "Netherton Storm" + "Cradbury Dannys Boy" and many Kc'd on both sides. The Tanned Staffs have been confirmed as reds, and we may have a tiger brindle which is very desirable. The Runt of the litter is the only one which has turned out black and white. Im not a breeder and the money im asking for the pups is to pay for their up bringing and to ensure a good home. All pups come with the companion care puppy pack which sends them on their journey microchippeed, wormed, flea'd and all their first injections. they all come with a starter pack of food that they are all weaning onto, "Nutro Choice" . They have all been weighed since birth and come with a special pack we decided to do for the new owners which gives you photos of them all growing up week by week.

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Re: Weve got 8 Staff Bull Terrier pups!

Sounds to me like you have done a very good job. They look adorable pups.
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Re: Weve got 8 Staff Bull Terrier pups!

I wasn't been sarcastic but isn't important for our breeds health & welfare to test for all genetic hereditary conditions which by the way a vet can't test for.So yes they may be healthy pups but they may develop these conditions at anytime upto 18 months old.
L2 is a neurometabolic disorder,HC is hereditary Cataracts which can leave a dog totally blind in both eyes by the time it's 18 months old.
L2/HC are tested for by the AHT,PHPV,PPSC are tested for by a specialist eye examiner.
None of these conditions are covered by insurance either as they are hereditary.
If you breed one litter or 20 you ARE classed as a breeder.
Oh And I noticed no answer to my previous questions,why are they Not KC Reg & Tested?
The info is out there,we have tests to insure the health welfare & future of SBT's,in my opinion if your not going to test don't breed.If you can't keep an entire bitch & dog apart whilst she's in season get one of them neutered.

The rescues are full of SBT's and crosses to bursting point,What was the point of this litter,it wasn't to improve the breed was it?

Sorry I feel Strongly about accidental litters, and breeding I also feel strongly about my breed and I will make no Apology for that.

HEALTH ISSUES IN THE STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER

The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is by nature a robust and healthy breed. However there are a couple of hereditary health issues which you need to be aware of if you are considering buying a new puppy or planning to breed from your bitch.

1. L-2-HGA Hydroxyglutaric Aciduria

In the past few years a small number of Staffords have been diagnosed with a metabolic disorder, its clinical name is L2 hydroxyglutaric aciduria or L-2-HGA. This condition manifests itself in varied ways with affected dogs displaying behavioural changes and dementia, anxiety attacks, having full blown seizures, as well as exercise intolerance and ataxia (unsteady gait), tremors and muscular stiffness. Dogs from totally different bloodlines have been found to be sufferers and the number of affected dogs diagnosed has risen. The disorder (and a similar linked disorder D-2 HGA) is found in humans, again very rare, but nevertheless devastating for those families affected by it. The disorder has an autosomal recessive method of inheritance, which means that both parents must be carriers of the affected gene to produce affected offspring.

Through excessive hard work not only on behalf of the Animal Health Trust at Newmarket and by people submitting blood and urine samples from the families of affected animals a genetic test has been determined to identify the carriers of the gene which causes L-2-HGA.

IT IS THEREFORE ADVISABLE THAT ALL BREEDING STOCK BE SCREENED IN ORDER TO ERADICATE THIS CONDITION IN THE FUTURE.


TESTING CAN TAKE UP TO 6 WEEKS FOR RESULTS SO PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THIS DONE IN PLENTY OF TIME BEFORE YOUR PLANNED MATING.


2. HC – HEREDITARY CATARACTS.

It is known that HC is inherited by and automal recessive path (i.e. both parents must be carriers of the defective gene to produce and affected offspring). HC is a progressive condition and this means that although a puppy is not born with cataracts they will start to develop at a juvenile age. (maybe from 8 months onwards), and will progress until the dog is totally blind. This condition is bilateral which means is affects both eyes equally. Thanks to the tireless research by the Animal Health Trust in Newmarket there is a now a DNA Test for Hereditary Cataracts.

3. PHPV – PERSITENT HYPERPLASTIC PRIMARY VITREOUS

The mode of inheritance of PHPV is not so clear, but it is known that it is a congenital condition (present at birth) and that it is not progressive. This means that if a puppy is born with PHPV it can be detected by ophthalmic screening from 6 weeks of age and if it is affected, whatever the condition of the problem at that stage it will not change throughout the dogs life.

Either of the above conditions can be operated on, but it is a serious operation and can be traumatic and very expensive. It is not always covered by insurance due to the hereditary nature.

Even though the genetic test is now available for Hereditary Cataracts it is still important to screen for PHPV.

4. PPSC – POSTERIOR POLAR SUBCAPSULAR CATARACT.

This type of cataracts is found in other breeds, particularly the Labrador and Golden Retriever.
It usually remains as a small, punctuate cataract and doesn’t usually lead to sight problems in these two breeds. It has been placed on schedule 3 of the BVA/KC/ISDS Eye Scheme because a number of Staffords that have been through the Scheme have been found to have this type of cataract. This type of cataract cannot be detected through litter screening. The mode of inheritance is unknown and has a variable age of onset. BREEDING STOCK SHOULD BE TESTED ANNUALLY TO DETERMINE THAT THE DOG IS CERTIFIED CLEAR AT THE TIME OF MATING.
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Re: Weve got 8 Staff Bull Terrier pups!

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I wasn't been sarcastic but isn't important for our breeds health & welfare to test for all genetic hereditary conditions which by the way a vet can't test for.So yes they may be healthy pups but they may develop these conditions at anytime upto 18 months old.
L2 is a neurometabolic disorder,HC is hereditary Cataracts which can leave a dog totally blind in both eyes by the time it's 18 months old.
L2/HC are tested for by the AHT,PHPV,PPSC are tested for by a specialist eye examiner.
None of these conditions are covered by insurance either as they are hereditary.
If you breed one litter or 20 you ARE classed as a breeder.
Oh And I noticed no answer to my previous questions,why are they Not KC Reg & Tested?
The info is out there,we have tests to insure the health welfare & future of SBT's,in my opinion if your not going to test don't breed.If you can't keep an entire bitch & dog apart whilst she's in season get one of them neutered.

The rescues are full of SBT's and crosses to bursting point,What was the point of this litter,it wasn't to improve the breed was it?

Sorry I feel Strongly about accidental litters, and breeding I also feel strongly about my breed and I will make no Apology for that.

HEALTH ISSUES IN THE STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER

The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is by nature a robust and healthy breed. However there are a couple of hereditary health issues which you need to be aware of if you are considering buying a new puppy or planning to breed from your bitch.

1. L-2-HGA Hydroxyglutaric Aciduria

In the past few years a small number of Staffords have been diagnosed with a metabolic disorder, its clinical name is L2 hydroxyglutaric aciduria or L-2-HGA. This condition manifests itself in varied ways with affected dogs displaying behavioural changes and dementia, anxiety attacks, having full blown seizures, as well as exercise intolerance and ataxia (unsteady gait), tremors and muscular stiffness. Dogs from totally different bloodlines have been found to be sufferers and the number of affected dogs diagnosed has risen. The disorder (and a similar linked disorder D-2 HGA) is found in humans, again very rare, but nevertheless devastating for those families affected by it. The disorder has an autosomal recessive method of inheritance, which means that both parents must be carriers of the affected gene to produce affected offspring.

Through excessive hard work not only on behalf of the Animal Health Trust at Newmarket and by people submitting blood and urine samples from the families of affected animals a genetic test has been determined to identify the carriers of the gene which causes L-2-HGA.

IT IS THEREFORE ADVISABLE THAT ALL BREEDING STOCK BE SCREENED IN ORDER TO ERADICATE THIS CONDITION IN THE FUTURE.


TESTING CAN TAKE UP TO 6 WEEKS FOR RESULTS SO PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THIS DONE IN PLENTY OF TIME BEFORE YOUR PLANNED MATING.


2. HC – HEREDITARY CATARACTS.

It is known that HC is inherited by and automal recessive path (i.e. both parents must be carriers of the defective gene to produce and affected offspring). HC is a progressive condition and this means that although a puppy is not born with cataracts they will start to develop at a juvenile age. (maybe from 8 months onwards), and will progress until the dog is totally blind. This condition is bilateral which means is affects both eyes equally. Thanks to the tireless research by the Animal Health Trust in Newmarket there is a now a DNA Test for Hereditary Cataracts.

3. PHPV – PERSITENT HYPERPLASTIC PRIMARY VITREOUS

The mode of inheritance of PHPV is not so clear, but it is known that it is a congenital condition (present at birth) and that it is not progressive. This means that if a puppy is born with PHPV it can be detected by ophthalmic screening from 6 weeks of age and if it is affected, whatever the condition of the problem at that stage it will not change throughout the dogs life.

Either of the above conditions can be operated on, but it is a serious operation and can be traumatic and very expensive. It is not always covered by insurance due to the hereditary nature.

Even though the genetic test is now available for Hereditary Cataracts it is still important to screen for PHPV.

4. PPSC – POSTERIOR POLAR SUBCAPSULAR CATARACT.

This type of cataracts is found in other breeds, particularly the Labrador and Golden Retriever.
It usually remains as a small, punctuate cataract and doesn’t usually lead to sight problems in these two breeds. It has been placed on schedule 3 of the BVA/KC/ISDS Eye Scheme because a number of Staffords that have been through the Scheme have been found to have this type of cataract. This type of cataract cannot be detected through litter screening. The mode of inheritance is unknown and has a variable age of onset. BREEDING STOCK SHOULD BE TESTED ANNUALLY TO DETERMINE THAT THE DOG IS CERTIFIED CLEAR AT THE TIME OF MATING.


I cant be arsed to read all this crap you have spent writing.You say it is just your opinion but no one asked you for it. Go breed your perfect Kc dogs and leave others alone. like i say we live in a world that is not perfect im sure you would have had the bitch taken to the vets to have her pups destroyed at conception but im not that cruel, wether it was planned or not we have 8 beautiful pups and no doubt they will have none of the problems you have spent a long time preparing to hit me with. and im not going to explain myself to someone who thinks they are a breed above everyone else .

i urge the moderators of this forum to delete this whole forum editon.
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Lovely babies and pictures!
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I cant be arsed to read all this crap you have spent writing.You say it is just your opinion but no one asked you for it. Go breed your perfect Kc dogs and leave others alone. like i say we live in a world that is not perfect im sure you would have had the bitch taken to the vets to have her pups destroyed at conception but im not that cruel, wether it was planned or not we have 8 beautiful pups and no doubt they will have none of the problems you have spent a long time preparing to hit me with. and im not going to explain myself to someone who thinks they are a breed above everyone else .

i urge the moderators of this forum to delete this whole forum editon.
Exactly,you can't be arsed,What sort of Breeder can't be arsed to do right by the bitch & welfare of the pups?
You have with that statement shown that you are not interested in the future of the SBT or the health & welfare of the breed.Like alot of others out to make a quick buck.
A bitch in whelp carries as much risk as terminating a litter.
I own an entire dog & bitch & have done so previously,never once have we had an accidental litter,nor to we plan on doing so.It's called RESPONSIBLE OWNERSHIP.
You also have an obilgation to the new puppy owners,lets hope these pups are fine because otherwise it will cost the new owners alot of expense in vet fees which they are quite entitled to claim back from you.
I didn't plan on hitting you with anything you should have KNOWN about these conditions or at least researched before allowing the pregnancy to continue.

Still the questions remain unanswered,
Why are they not KC'd or tested????

I don't see why the posts should be deleted either,it may very well educate somebody planning on breeding what tests are required before they go ahead or a person looking for a puppy on what tests the Parents should have.
I always advise people looking for a puppy to avoid unregistered litters as you can't be sure of the parentage and usually the litter are untested.
You may pay a little bit more but can be sure the parents are free from Diseases known in the SBT and the pup looks like the breed it is supposed to resemble.
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