hey, y'all - :--)
as usual, the ear-and-tail snippers are claiming that pups do not feel pain -
so i went to UTube and SEARCHED for "dock and dewclaw puppy", and this was the first result;
i didn't trawl for drama, i took the #1 result of a random draw:
YouTube - Lanas 2010 Litter Dew Claws and Tail Docking

this vet removes fore-dewclaws and docks a neonate; pups eyes and ears are still closed,
so puppy is under 14-to 16-Days Old. [no excuses it is too late, etc.] EDITED TO ADD -
i DO NOT KNOW the pups age! i am NOT labeling the pup's age... i said UNDER, not "at".
the pup STILL HAS A NATAL CORD folks, dried but very clearly present. End Edit.

the vet DOES stitch the dock; pup does not appear to have anaesthesia, altho it is not stated;
the puppy does not cry held belly-up, only grumbles, but cries sharply when the hemostat is applied
to the right-fore dewclaw, continues to cry and gets louder when dewclaw on the left is removed,
and belly-down [in normal orientation], cries sharply when the tail is clamped, CONTINUES to cry
as the tail is twisted to produce a cuff to cover the stub, and continues to cry as stitch[es] are placed.

this pup to my untrained eye, looks distressed by the events -
paws are all light pink, as is the nose + muzzle when they begin; by the time they clamp the tail,
ALL FOUR paws AND face are bright rosy-pink - indicating a sharp rise in blood-pressure;
respiration is up, heart-rate is up, and i would say that if we took salivary-cortisol, it would be elevated, too.

saying a neonate who cannot bite, flee, etc is not *bothered* by pain is similar to saying a mute person
is not in pain when struck - they of course cannot shout, yelp, swear, etc, but i would anticipate a definite reaction.

this looks + sounds to me like pain. What do U think? the constant apologists are getting to me!
"yes, but it's not Really painful..." --- how do U **know*?

JMO + IME,
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I can't watch things like that usually, I tried but the pup crying began to upset maya who is currently panicking and looking for puppies

It doesn't look nice and does look painful, This is why I also went against removing the dewclaws off my pups and have left them on to see how they come out and let the owners decide.

In some dogs I can understand dew claw removal and in some working dogs but overall I just don't like it and cropping ears makes me feel even worse.

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I'm sorry but I'm not going to watch the video because I garentee that the poor pup is in pain and I can't watch it...

However, declaw in cat and dogs is illigal in England and docking is too. Hopefully the US will catch up in this. If any apartment that I move to when my hubby and I go back to the US tell me to declaw my cat I will politely tell them to chop their knuckles off.

that's disgusting. it's distressing watching it as that puppy is CLEARLY in pain. Anyone who says it isn't needs their ears and head checking. That is cruelty IMO. IF it NEEDS to be done, then it should be done with AT LEAST some local anathestic to numb the area.

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It's not illegal to remove dewclaws in dogs.

It's illegal for;
-Ear cropping on dogs
-Tail docking on none working dogs
-Claw removal (declawing) in cats and Fang removal.

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PLEASE, and soon... Soon! the constant whining of the breeding and showing folks is making me nutz.
they would call black, white, or red, green if the denial got them what they wanted - Arrrggghh.
U rock - train the cat to attack on command Schutz-feline!

I'd only have the dewclaw removed if it was causing the dog pain from him or her getting it caught.

If they told me to chop my dogs tail off I'd tell them to remove their tail bone and see how they feel I'm sorry but I feel that animals have just as much of a right as humans and I'm very strong on that.

I couldn't watch that Had to turn the sound off, was so bad hearing a pup crying like that Didn't seem like it had any anaesthetic

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I cannot speak about docking as it is irrelavent to me.

The leo is expected to have rear due claws removed (not the front ones) and I would never leave a puppy with its rear dews. I must admit its not the nicest thing in the world to do, but those doing on the video seem to be faffing about a bit.

I would much rather inflict 30 seconds of pain on a pup than wait until the pup is too old (that pup is about 3-4 days old, dewclaw removal must never be done after 5 days old without GA due to the increased nerve growth) and need GA to remove them, which means a 2 week recovery period, stitches, bandages, anti inflams and anti bios AND the huge risk of General Anaesthetic.

To me the benefits out weigh the cons, and providing it is needed will always be done. I myself have first hand experience of the damage done to rear dewclaws, and would never wish that sort of pain on a dog. Not to mention the fact that my friend Sue who breeds GSDs lost her first homebred pup at 17 month old having dewclaws removed after trauma. Sorry, but thats not for me!

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