Thinking about offering your dog at Stud? - Page 2

fosse · #11 (**permalink**) 21-12-2008, 07:25 PM

The vets will do the x-rays for hips and elbows but the scoring is done by the BVA. Eye screening has to be done by a BVA appointed eye panellist.

han89 · #12 (**permalink**) 04-01-2009, 10:36 PM

hi... i have a male chihuahua whom i wish to stud.. however the breeder was an elderly women and hurriedly gave us her pups as she was had to go in hospital. The poor women died, and therefore the pups never got registered or if they did i don't have the papers!

Obviously im not going to charge alot for studding if i were to, he is just has brillient temperament and his offspring would make good pets, no idea about in terms of breeding standards....

should i use this dog for stud? hese 8-9 years old, has had no health problems and a good all round chap x

sallyanne · #13 (**permalink**) 04-01-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by han89

hi... i have a male chihuahua whom i wish to stud.. however the breeder was an elderly women and hurriedly gave us her pups as she was had to go in hospital. The poor women died, and therefore the pups never got registered or if they did i don't have the papers!

Therefore his history is somewhat questionable and impossible to trace,so you don't know if any problems run through his lines.

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Originally Posted by han89

Obviously im not going to charge alot for studding if i were to, he is just has brillient temperament and his offspring would make good pets, no idea about in terms of breeding standards....

The two reasons given are not acceptable to be offering a dog at stud,you should know the breed and standard inside out,know what your dog can add in terms of improving the breed and quality.

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Originally Posted by han89

should i use this dog for stud?

Definatly not.

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Originally Posted by han89

hese 8-9 years old, has had no health problems and a good all round chap x

Has he had all the breed specific tests required done with good results ?
I would suggest you would not find any reputable breeder willing to use a dog of his age with unknown background and unproven when there are younger quality dogs on the show circuit doing well.

han89 · #14 (**permalink**) 04-01-2009, 11:45 PM

i dont like pedigree dog breeders, having written many assignments published on the internet on genetically inherited disorders.

this dogs has had a full health check, had no apparent genetic problems, also with a younger stud it is not apparent as to the genetic problems in which the pub has...

clueless · #15 (**permalink**) 05-01-2009, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by han89

i dont like pedigree dog breeders, having written many assignments published on the internet on genetically inherited disorders.

this dogs has had a full health check, had no apparent genetic problems, also with a younger stud it is not apparent as to the genetic problems in which the pub has...

If you do not like Pedigree Dog Breeders LOL WHY
1. Are you wanting to use your Pedigree dog at Stud
2. Why do you own a dog that had Pedigree parents bred by Pedigree dog owners LOL

Also as he has no papers it is only your word that he has all relevant tests done as results cannot be put on KC Papers if you not got none

A full health check does not mean much in the Dog Breeding world, having "no apparent genetic problem" does not mean to say he is not a carrier of something

baillieswells · #16 (**permalink**) 05-01-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by reena

To be used for stud your dog needs to be ALC registered and he should already have his Ch title.They most likey are a few tests that should be done to make sure he is free from genetic defects. Hip displasia would be an example but this veries from breed to breed so find out what your breed needs to be tested for.
Once your dog has completed his Ch title you will have meet many other people who own your breed and some of them will want to use your dog for stud if they feel he will complement their female.
You do not pay vet bills for the female and you charge a fee usually equal to the price of a puppy or you get pick of the litter.
If your dog is not AkC registered you do not have much of a stud prospect and if he is not shown and proven to be breeding quality he is not really worth much as a stud except to someone who is breeding dogs for profit.
He is a nice looking dog.
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A Champion in the USA is very different from a Champion in the UK. Last year in my breed 10 champions were made up (finished) in the UK, in the USA with far fewer annual registrations 298 were made up. So the statement that the Stud Dog has to be a Champion is not true in the UK. A lot of UK Champion are not actually sired by Champions. However, those that are not sired by Champions are almost certainly sired by well known show dogs.
It is unusual for a non show dog to be seriously used at stud. Indeed there will be very little demand for some unknown stud. So unless you are in the show scene I don't think one should seriously consider using your pet at stud.

han89 · #17 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by clueless

If you do not like Pedigree Dog Breeders LOL WHY
1. Are you wanting to use your Pedigree dog at Stud
2. Why do you own a dog that had Pedigree parents bred by Pedigree dog owners LOL

Also as he has no papers it is only your word that he has all relevant tests done as results cannot be put on KC Papers if you not got none

A full health check does not mean much in the Dog Breeding world, having "no apparent genetic problem" does not mean to say he is not a carrier of something

as i have already said... the dogs were left to my boyfriend when an elderly women went to hospital- she then died.

i have never known a pedigree dog breeder to genetically screen an animal for all the possible genetic problems in order to breed, its all about the money to them.

if you want to argue this further, as i am studying genetics in my degree, i have come across noguidelines in the breeding standards which are known to me, that states that in order for as dog to be used for breeding it has all genetic faults checked for. I am not against breeding dogs to create a specific temperament or dog use, however at the moment most dog species are sooo inbred at the moment their genetics have increased homozygosity simply means that more diseases are going to be seen more often as a result of not all, breeding standards and practices.

sallyanne · #18 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 04:33 PM

Most reputable good breeders would argue that you want to do your best for any pups and the future and welfare of the breed concerned therefore YOU TEST for known conditions within the breed.

If you are studing genetics you should know that two parents can and will pass the faulty gene onto offspring,therefore giving you affected puppies,inbreeding does not create a problem which wasn't there to start with.

clueless · #19 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by han89

as i have already said... the dogs were left to my boyfriend when an elderly women went to hospital- she then died.

i have never known a pedigree dog breeder to genetically screen an animal for all the possible genetic problems in order to breed, its all about the money to them.

if you want to argue this further, as i am studying genetics in my degree, i have come across noguidelines in the breeding standards which are known to me, that states that in order for as dog to be used for breeding it has all genetic faults checked for. I am not against breeding dogs to create a specific temperament or dog use, however at the moment most dog species are sooo inbred at the moment their genetics have increased homozygosity simply means that more diseases are going to be seen more often as a result of not all, breeding standards and practices.

Defo do not agree with your post, but hey ho. N ow can you answer one of the questions I asked as it is more important it seems now after the last post
2. Why do you wish to Stud the Chi????

clueless · #20 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by han89

as i have already said... the dogs were left to my boyfriend when an elderly women went to hospital- she then died.

i have never known a pedigree dog breeder to genetically screen an animal for all the possible genetic problems in order to breed, its all about the money to them.

if you want to argue this further, as i am studying genetics in my degree, i have come across noguidelines in the breeding standards which are known to me, that states that in order for as dog to be used for breeding it has all genetic faults checked for. I am not against breeding dogs to create a specific temperament or dog use, however at the moment most dog species are sooo inbred at the moment their genetics have increased homozygosity simply means that more diseases are going to be seen more often as a result of not all, breeding standards and practices.

Nothing in the Breed Standards but check out kc Scheme A and Scheme B on KC Website re tests required for certain breeds and also check out Breed Clubs

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