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The trouble with rescues is they have stupid rules in place which can sometimes make it difficult,so people choose to go to a Breeder.Alot of rescues can also have problems.
I agree there are many rules which prevent good people from rehoming dogs and yes some rescue dogs do have problems but they deserve a chance and for those people who do not want a particular breed of of dog this is a good option for them
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The trouble with rescues is they have stupid rules in place which can sometimes make it difficult,so people choose to go to a Breeder.Alot of rescues can also have problems.
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Re: Cross Breeding Dogs

I must admit I show my dogs so on no account would have them neutered.
If my dog had, had anything other than a clear result,then yes he would have been castrated & his showing career would have been over.

My bitch will be spayed at a later date,after I've bred from her.

There is no excuse for accidental litters either,if you have a dog & bitch you keep them apart at all times during her season,or get them neutered.
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I totaly agree there is no reason for accidental litters, I realise if you have a show dog neutering him is not an option otherwise its the best way if you do not intend breeding
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Re: Cross Breeding Dogs

Well I think by now that you all know my views on this subject.
Reputable breeders will health test before thinking of breeding. There are different tests done for each breed. I dont agree with mixed breeding for many reasons, I agree with spaying of pets to prevent breeding and think that breeders should insist upon this in an endorsement when selling puppies on - if the puppy is sold as a pet then why breed from it? I do know some who do this and I fully agree with it - if the puppy buyer is a good person they will also agree why its best. Breeding should only be done for the betterment of that breed - the KC have a breed standard for each breed that should be followed when planning breedings. Mix breeding of breeds very close together as Majik has stated in my mind is dangerous - breeding 2 kinds of bull breeds - mastiff breeds etc etc is a recipe for disaster - the temperament of a dog is paramount - I dont agree with pedigree dogs being bred from if they have aggresion problems either - I do agree that owners play a huge role in the way a dog turns out but deliberatly breeding from 2 breeds of dog that have 2 very different temperaments could lead to the problems later in life. We all know that all breeds have a temperament trait and just putting 2 breeds together due to both breeds having a great side to them could also lead to all thats bad in each breed coming out in them too..
There is also the fashion side of the argument - breeding for the money side of things - we have many established breeds already why is there a need to come up with a new breed of dog?
Now to the rescue side of things - I know there is a breed specific rescue for most breeds and thats great as at least the breed is with experienced people who can find the correct family for the dogs, but most rescue centres are over run with cross breeds - all kinds of mixes - they may be cute to look at but their parents havent been health tested - the 2 temprements having been taken into account, so guess work is the only way to know what temperament the dog will have. The cost of some of the mixed breeds sometimes outweigh the price of a pedigree dog but a mongral is a mongral in my eyes - so why charge high prices for certain mixes?
Health issues - yes it could be argued that some mix breeds are healthier than a pedigree dog but only some mixes – what if a breeding took place with 2 breeds who have major health issues???? - by breeding mix's you do leave yourself open to very undesirable traits - why do that when breeds have their own unique breed character? Cross breeding is inconsistant in looks and temp yet reputable breeders are breeding from dogs that have taken years and years to get as close to perfect as they can - they know the breed character traits etc.
Bring money into this and you get the money grabbers– they don’t give a stuff about health or quality – yes some breeders of pedigree dogs can be the same but most are ethical in the way they breed and the bad types of people are often outted by the people in the same breed.
As for accidental litters – why was the bitch not taken to the vet?? There is an injection to abort the litter and they can spey at the same time too……not always the case if you didn’t realize the mating had taken place which in itself is irresponsible – I have an entire male here and not once has he been given the chance to mate with any of my girls – all apart from my old staffy cross are shown hence them not being speyed etc….its irresponsible ownership if accidental.
Well I have said enough in this post

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Re: Cross Breeding Dogs

on the odd occasion where peeps have phoned where the young bitch has escaped and mated with a dog and does happen if they want to get out they will
or a dog has got into the garden,

told them to get them up the vet as you can get a like morning after pill for dogs but in injection form.
this they have at the end of a season, vets dont like doing it but it does work.

but yes there are far to many crosses and why on earth would anyone want to put 2 different pedigree together to get cross and charge the same as pedigree dogs

well theres fools out there that sadly pay it
so whos the fool the cross breeding person or the person who buys them??
if they didnt buy them then there wouldnt be a market for them
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Well I think by now that you all know my views on this subject.
Reputable breeders will health test before thinking of breeding. There are different tests done for each breed. I dont agree with mixed breeding for many reasons, I agree with spaying of pets to prevent breeding and think that breeders should insist upon this in an endorsement when selling puppies on - if the puppy is sold as a pet then why breed from it? I do know some who do this and I fully agree with it - if the puppy buyer is a good person they will also agree why its best. Breeding should only be done for the betterment of that breed - the KC have a breed standard for each breed that should be followed when planning breedings. Mix breeding of breeds very close together as Majik has stated in my mind is dangerous - breeding 2 kinds of bull breeds - mastiff breeds etc etc is a recipe for disaster - the temperament of a dog is paramount - I dont agree with pedigree dogs being bred from if they have aggresion problems either - I do agree that owners play a huge role in the way a dog turns out but deliberatly breeding from 2 breeds of dog that have 2 very different temperaments could lead to the problems later in life. We all know that all breeds have a temperament trait and just putting 2 breeds together due to both breeds having a great side to them could also lead to all thats bad in each breed coming out in them too..
There is also the fashion side of the argument - breeding for the money side of things - we have many established breeds already why is there a need to come up with a new breed of dog?
Now to the rescue side of things - I know there is a breed specific rescue for most breeds and thats great as at least the breed is with experienced people who can find the correct family for the dogs, but most rescue centres are over run with cross breeds - all kinds of mixes - they may be cute to look at but their parents havent been health tested - the 2 temprements having been taken into account, so guess work is the only way to know what temperament the dog will have. The cost of some of the mixed breeds sometimes outweigh the price of a pedigree dog but a mongral is a mongral in my eyes - so why charge high prices for certain mixes?
Health issues - yes it could be argued that some mix breeds are healthier than a pedigree dog but only some mixes – what if a breeding took place with 2 breeds who have major health issues???? - by breeding mix's you do leave yourself open to very undesirable traits - why do that when breeds have their own unique breed character? Cross breeding is inconsistant in looks and temp yet reputable breeders are breeding from dogs that have taken years and years to get as close to perfect as they can - they know the breed character traits etc.
Bring money into this and you get the money grabbers– they don’t give a stuff about health or quality – yes some breeders of pedigree dogs can be the same but most are ethical in the way they breed and the bad types of people are often outted by the people in the same breed.
As for accidental litters – why was the bitch not taken to the vet?? There is an injection to abort the litter and they can spey at the same time too……not always the case if you didn’t realize the mating had taken place which in itself is irresponsible – I have an entire male here and not once has he been given the chance to mate with any of my girls – all apart from my old staffy cross are shown hence them not being speyed etc….its irresponsible ownership if accidental.
Well I have said enough in this post
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I think cross breed dogs are brilliant! They are not inbred like most kc registered ones and tend to live longer.
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on the odd occasion where peeps have phoned where the young bitch has escaped and mated with a dog and does happen if they want to get out they will
or a dog has got into the garden,
In my opinion that is irresponsible ownership,you don't leave an in season bitch alone at any time.No excuses.
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Re: Cross Breeding Dogs

You cannot state "they" there are so many breeds involved in cross breeds - sometimes 2 sometimes bloomin 10 - yes you can be lucky and get a cross breed that suffers no health problems and lives longer but its a game of russian roulette....or like picking a ticket out of a tombolla - you really dont know what you are getting and it scares me just what bad traits of a cross breed will come out ...
Thankyou Sallyanne - I really am trying to get the point across with valid points
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