Ive also have seen this. Brainless is very up on this subject and can give good advice, so more advice please and ALOT less lectures

I totally agree, positive advice is very welcome and people will always listen to it, but insinuating that people are irresponsible because they dont agree with you breeding ethics is not going to help anyone.

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People wont listen if preached to so its all a big waste of time. Most of brainlesses view are correct just conveyed in the wrong way, no-one likes being spoke to like a child. Maybe a more laid back approach would get brainless and others point across better which must be what they want! and would be more benificial for dog welfare

There are certain areas where surely there is no room for differing view points but simply right and wrong.

A medium large breed bitch having already had 3 litters by the time she is 3 years old for example, but maybe we should just let them all get on with it, good bad and indifferent, without a word of censure?

Breeding with no health tests?

Breeding from dogs with serious faults like bad mouths, monorchids etc?

Then nothing will ever change, people get taken in, and dogs suffer.

If best practise is not pointed out how do potential new owners know what to insist on, so that poor breeding dies out through attrition.

I completely agree, however if you are not able to find a suitable rescue dog, rescues turn you down for various reasons and you can't have the breeds you want due to various reasons, what do you suggest a person does?

I choose my dog as I could afford him, he was healthy, had a good temperament, was suitable for our home and the perfect dog for our family. If it was not for the people who bred my dog, our family would be without this wonderful companion.

Of course to recognise a new breed takes years, however all pedigree breeds started somewhere.

I agree with you colliemerles, I don't think we are going to agree on this subject and each to there own. In my opinion whether a dog has papers, no papers, generations of past relatives that look like them or generations who don't look like them. They are all dogs, all loyal companions. The joy is in owning a dog, not owning a dog because it is a pedigree.

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But you could have gone on a good breeders waiting list for a Field Spaniel?

There is a serious overpopulation issue with dogs, so really breeding just because you can rather than for breed improvement or for dogs required for work is not considered responsible.

All these dogs in the rescue centres have been bred by someone, who should be accountable for them for their whole lives Very few have breeders who have died or are too ill to take responsibility.

Hopefully your pups breeders will always be there to help with the pups they bred, and am sure they had you sign a contract to that effect, but in my opinion and the majority of people in canine welfare, they are at best misguided and naive about the bigger picture in breeding this way.

For those who think I am exaggerating why not have a look at a rescue site in the US called Petfinders and look up and see how many of these small breed crosses there are in rescue Search results - pets in adoption centers near Hightstown, New Jersey.

Yes it isn't the UK, but the fad has come from there in only the last couple of years. Here are the details of the first Pom x Chi to coem up: Adopt Scooter3 - Pomeranian, Chihuahua Dog [Mix]

Yes loads of pedigrees too, but look at the quality (or lack of), , this Chihuahua for example (no good breeder produced him)Adopt Litto - Chihuahua Dog

In Australia they are already finding huge numbers of these designer crosses ending up in rescue as they haven't the promised characteristics or are unhealthy and of poor temperament.

how can an enclosure be the same as an enclosed garden,? all the rescue centres i went to would not allow the dog to be kept outside.
i have an run that dudley goes in when i go to work.
i went to lots of rescue centres they all said that they would not even come and do a home visit!!!
i have lots of expreience with rescue dogs and have lots of time and effort to put into them.
i ended up with shar pei after i has thouroughly researched them, and i will be breeding with them when april is old enough,
becasue i have had several vets comment on what a fantastic dog dudley is of the breed he has none of the problems that are asscoiated with this breed and ask me if i am going to breed with him.
i feel that puppys from my two would be healthy and hopefully problem free.
but with regards to cross breeds some of these are healthier that some of the pedigree dogs that are bred. sometimes this is regardless of health tests.
i thought this was a informative sight for discussion and help.
and surely we are all entitled to our opinion, and it is not for one person to decided who is rong or right ?

well said !!!!!!!!!! i have both pure breed and cross bred,, and i personnally find my cross bred dogs have less problems than the pure bred,, but i wouldnt preach to everyone that they HAD to have a cross breed, it would be THERE CHOICE

Im not arguing as to weither your right or wrong im saying you have good knowledge but no idea of passing this information on with out trying to talk down to people

Well said i totally agree a dog is a pet and if its loved thats all that matters