"Three ties over three days seems like an awful lot, infact sounds like a desperate attempt to get her pregnant & an awful lot of stress on both dogs"

I was interested to read this comment and must admit that I find it rather odd.

Why would mating on 3 consecutive days be "an awful lot of stress" for healthy and willing dogs?

So you believe it's actually okay then?

As an owner of a perfectly healthy stud dog, and as an owner of bitches, it's something I would choose not to put them through, it's certainly something that is not the done thing in my breed!

Hi Nicci

I wouldn't say that it's something that I would routinely do, but neither would I get overexcited about it happening.

I have mated 2 of my own dogs on consecutive days (both unproven and I didn't use any tests to see when she was ovulating - just the old fashioned way of seeing when the dogs themselves wanted to mate. I really can't see that its a huge stress for healthy and willing dogs to mate once a day for 3 consecutive days.

(And before anyone leaps on me for breeding 2 of my own dogs together - they were health tested and I do know what I'm doing! I've had my breed over 20 years and have bred champions and, after looking around, really couldn't find anything more suitable than my own dog - a champion too)

Firstly, I own a Dogue ( she can't be bred now and I wouldn't have anyway ) should I have chosen to breed her, hyperthetically speaking of course I wouldn't have allowed her to be covered three consecutive days in a row & I would have been horrified had anyone suggested that I did.

I've never offered my own dog for public stud, but if I did, I would do as I have here & suggest two matings 48 hours apart, if the bitch happened to miss they would be offered a free mating next time.

For a breed like the Dogue I would think it would have been awfully hard and stressful to both dogs, it's bad enough with Bulldogs 48 hours apart, I couldn't imagine watching or even allowing my bitches to be covered three consecutive days in a row it would bring tears to my eyes just watching, I would see it as awfully cruel especially when done for my own satisfaction - the dogs don't ask to be put there - we choose to put them in those situations.

I know nothing about breeding Dogues. I do have experience of breeding large dogs like them though it's simply something I would not do, I just couldn't seeing how worked up the males get and at times how stressful it can be for the bitches.

It amazes me just how hard some people have to work to get a litter from their bordeaux - she may have re absorbed or have a small litter tucked up - go for a scan - why panic? You have had a litter from her before - September 07 wasnt it? Which means you have mated her 6 months after her first litter - I am very shocked and suprised to hear that the secretary of the DDB Club of Great Britain has broken his/her own club rules and regulations by allowing his stud dog to be used on a back to back mating!!!!!
And as Nicci has stated can we know the hip results if she has indeed been scored!
Can I also add that you have had your male up at stud without him being scored either!! Hardly reputable breeding.
Maybe your bitch has decided that after only 6 months she doesnt want to be pregnant again so soon after going through it before.
Can I ask what the rush is? Is there any need to back to back your bitch? Why do you join so many forums changing your tale as you go? Members have a go at you for your unethical ways so you paddy and go off to another forum! Maybe you should look at what you are doing and take notice of the ethical breeders that keep giving you advice. Recently on another well known forum in a stud contract you thought it was ethical of you to ask for £100 from the visiting bitchs owners if you PASSED any puppy buyers onto them!!!!! mad:
I think Louise that by now you should have learnt with all the negative comments that you receive on forums – that breeding should be left to the people who know what they are doing!
I love and care for this breed and people such as you are bringing the breed into disrepute and making the DDB a laughing stock within the Kennel Club and other breeds – not forgetting many judges!!!!!

I'm absolutely gobsmacked

I knew the bitch wasn't hipscored prior to breeding last time, sadly I didn't know half of the above, all I can ask is WHY???

OMG Another nasty. Money Grabber springs to my mind

Have you seen what she's asking for the puppies?

what other forums is he on? and where does she advertise? we need to warn people of this person

Heres her website

Top Dogue Kennels of the Dogue De Bordeaux |

Heres a copy of club ethics

1. Declaration a) I shall co-operate with Dogue de Bordeaux Club of Great Britain and share aid and information with those interested in the breed, and encourage and exhibit sportsman like conduct in all competitions. b) I will, at all times, maintain a high standard of care and health for the Dogue de Bordeaux, and will not deliberately libel or slander another person or make derogatory comments on another’s stock. 2. Breeding a) I will only breed from those dogs and bitches believed to be free from known serious hereditary defects, and which are temperamentally sound. b) I will keep accurate records of breeding, sales and registrations. i will at all times be extremely cautious when advertising or selling as to a true and realistic description of stock, especially as to potential prospects of young stock. c) I will breed from healthy mature dogs and bitches, conscientiously planning each litter. A bitch will not be mated from before 20 months of age, or her third season, whichever comes later. d) I will leave an interval of 12 months between litters. e) I will not mate a bitch after her 7th birthday. f) I will not mate a Dogue de Bordeaux to any other breed. g) I will not provide the services of a stud dog, knowing that the Code of Ethics would be breached. h) I understand that a stud dog owner should satisfy themselves as to the suitability of a bitches breeding, and the conditions under which the litter would be reared. 3 Sale of Dogue de Bordeaux a) I will attempt to help buyers and be available to answer questions and provide assistance. b) I will only sell puppies which are, to the best of my knowledge, in good health and exhibit temperament, and are at least 7 weeks old; and will provide with the pedigree at the time of sale, a satisfactory diet sheet, complete with health record, and details of worming. c) I shall not knowingly sell Dogue de Bordeaux to commercial wholesale dealers, retailers or laboratories, nor allow my stock to become raffle or competitions prizes and shall exercise every possible care as to the suitability of my Dogue de Bordeaux future homes. d) I shall, at the time of sale, provide a signed sales receipt for each puppy sold, and at least a three generation pedigree. In the case of registered stock, a Kennel Club registration will also be provided. If registration is to be withheld, it must be by mutual agreement in writing. e) I understand that when a puppy is sold a a pet, and not intended for breeding, that this should be mutually agreed, and incorporated into the sale receipt or contract. f) I will remember that my prime concern as a breeder is to produce healthy, sound stock that will be a credit to the breed. I will be honest in dealings with buyers and fellow breeders, and will endeavour to co-operate towards a programme of improvement for the breed. g) i understand that when a puppy (or puppies) are taken in lieu of a stud fee, or as part of a breeding terms agreement, a written agreement should be exchanged by both parties at the tome of the mating. I understand that the vendor is fully responsible for the condition of the puppy (or puppies) at the time of sale, and that their puppy (or puppies) should not be sold unseen if possible. h) I understand that breeding terms must not be used as a means of foisting stock onto those persons unable to afford the price of the puppy, and such agreements should only be used to place bitches in homes where their welfare and furtherance of the breed have been investigated. A legal breeding term contract should then be drawn up. 4 General a) I understand that any member aiding and abetting any other member to breach the code of Ethics will be held equally responsible with the offender. b) I understand and accept that should I breach the Code of Ethics I shall be subject to censure and possible Action by the Dogue de Bordeaux Club of Great Britain