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Old 09-11-2009, 06:06 PM
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So am I and don't tell me what to do, I have the same right to put my opinion as EVERYONE else as long as it isn't offensive; doesn't mention names and abides by the rules..... my last post did all those things... plus I wasn't the one saying specifically about byb and bad breeders only breeding mongrels and crosses.... so it would be wrong to educate? Wrong to say only cross and mongrel breeders are bad breeders and not health testing? NO! Didn't think so.

sorry ally I seem to be missing some thing because I dont understand what your post is about?

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so pleased to see this thread is open again, and to stay on topic, I have been questioned on here about my thoughts on breeding from x's and mongrels, I will openly say I am against it, but I do appreciate there are members on here who are educated and can quote figures at me till the cows come home about vigor? my reasons for being against it are various, 1, working in rescue I see the results of these type of breedings, 2, I feel there are enough breeds already to suit everyones needs, 3 there are many dogs pedigree/xbreed/mongrels with health issues and I cant get it through my head that people want to risk introducing those health issues into other breeds.4 in a way I can understand someone with a wealth of knowledge in genetics, wanting to x two breeds to eliminate a certain problem, ie the recent Dalmation issue and the urinary stone problem the breed has. but IMO the majority of breeders who breed these dogs are not really doing it to "save a breed" or to breed healthier dogs, they are doing it to line their pockets knowing full well someone will pay big money for certain types of x's, my breed for example has been x'd with sibes, why? both breeds look similar, both breeds are sleding dogs, they have similar backgrounds, and yet the market started to flood with sibermals, huskamutes etc, what was the reason? because people wanted a bigger dog that had blue eyes, a purely cosmetic reason two wonderful, majestic breeds in their own right and when not x'd are pretty predicatable in their own breed traits, but now we have sibermals/huskamutes,possibly with the high energy of the sibe and the very dominant trait of the malamute, or other similar mixing of the two breeds and non are quite like the next and yes a very attractive dog but non the less far less predictable in what the owner is getting, and many of the owners buy these dogs based purely on looks, they more often than not find out they made a mistake, to the dogs detriment, because it ends up getting passed from pillar to post. this is obviously an example. then there is the health issues of both these breeds, ethical breeders in both breeds are working very hard to erradicate certain problems, they will breed from health tested dogs, they will strive to improve on each breeding and of course in both breeds there are the breeders out to make the big bucks, cutting back on health tests, breeding to the nearest dog wether health tested or not, banging out litters left right and center, and these are the same breeders that will also not be against possibly x.sing with another breed. and its these breeders I am totally against, because they ARE producing dogs with serious health and in fact mental issues.

Mo

Mo, as I have a pound rescue "Alaskan" Husky sitting beside me right now, aged 16 3/4 and still walking two one mile walks daily, born in Yellowknife of non-pedigreed nor registered Husky parents, which is what sled dog breeders do up there, I feel I can comment. BTW, she is my fourth mutt that has reached past the age of 14.

You might want to read about Alaskan Huskies and their traditon in the North.

Alaskan Husky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Alaskan is the sled dog of choice for world-class dog sled racing sprint competition. None of the purebred northern breeds can match it for sheer racing speed. . .

The Alaskan Husky, like its cousin the Border Collie, is a working large dog and defined by its ability to work. Serious aficionados of the breed are hesitant to cede the breed definition to "looks" (external appearance) in fear of losing the dog's defining working qualities and character by placing form over function, as has happened to many other breeds such as the Poodle (which was once regarded as an outstanding hunting dog rather than a modern fashion accessory). This preference for form over function can be seen in other northern breeds such as the AKC Alaskan Malamute which is bred for a curly tail: the curly tail is a purely decorative standard, and results in a shorter back that is not beneficial to running."


Where I live, only 10% of dogs are registered. In the North, less are. I would not have the gall to suggest to those breeders that the purebred way is the better way when their tradition tells them differently . . . and is probably correct.

That there are others breeding crosses to cash in is true, but I will give good breeders of mutts like these their due and not slate them all the same. It offends me that, in your use of language, you use concrete terms instead of making allowances for good mutt and crossbred breeders.

When I read Ally's posts, both of them, I understood her to be offended the same way.

This girl of mine came to the pound when her owner lost his farm and home due to financial problems. Her owner was kind enough to fill out her story on the relinquishment form, which I got when I adopted her. I had not counted on a harness trained dog, but that is what I got. In the 14+ years that I've had her she's not required more than her annual looksee at the vets (now a bi-annual due to her age) . . . we have, however, had to replace some furniture she took a liking to when we obviously had not run her enough on that given day.

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Old 09-11-2009, 06:22 PM
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Re: having difficulty understanding.

I am fully aware of all the sled dog xcrossing including having hounds in the mix, for speed, BUT this has come about because of the competitiveness of the people that race them, there are even people racing pure hounds, but they have to wear coats because of the cold, we can argue til the cows come home on these mixes, and I am sure if you are a member of all the sled dog forums you will be aware of all of this as I am. and well done you for being so lucky in getting a pound dog that has turned out fine, shame I cant share this with the cross malamute, that was so badly dysplastic, and human aggressive that we could not even get into his kennel to feed him and ended up euthanising him. because he had absolutely no chance of having a caring home similar to that one you provide your dog. good for you taking in the rescues, we need more like you, it will help empty our center.

I have to add to this, the malamute is not s sprinting dog it has a shorter back because it hauls heavy loads, and longer back would be detrimental to the malamute, as it would lose strength, the tail is to be of a certain lenght and the reason for this is so that when the dog lies in the snow it can curl up and cover is nose with said tail to keep the air warm going through the dogs nose and into the lungs.

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I am fully aware of all the sled dog xcrossing including having hounds in the mix, for speed, BUT this has come about because of the competitiveness of the people that race them, there are even people racing pure hounds, but they have to wear coats because of the cold, we can argue til the cows come home on these mixes, and I am sure if you are a member of all the sled dog forums you will be aware of all of this as I am. and well done you for being so lucky in getting a pound dog that has turned out fine, shame I cant share this with the cross malamute, that was so badly dysplastic, and human aggressive that we could not even get into his kennel to feed him and ended up euthanising him. because he had absolutely no chance of having a caring home similar to that one you provide your dog. good for you taking in the rescues, we need more like you, it will help empty our center.

Mo
Alaskan Huskies are not crosses, Mo. Most are mutts since history, bred for a purpose, but not pure. Keep in mind, we have never had any kind of a percentage of purebred dogs in Northern Canada.

Same can be said of the farm collies throughout the Canadian and American prairies.

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Alaskan Huskies are not crosses, Mo. Most are mutts since history bred for a purpose but not pure. Keep in mind, we have never had any kind of a percentage of purebred dogs in Northern Canada.

Same can be said of the farm collies throughout the prairies.
I apologise for the use of x's in this instance, I realsie it is a bone of contention for some members, x's mutts are really one and the same in my mind, but I will bear this in mind in any future posts.

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Ok I am reasonably new to this board, but I have been a member of other boards for MANY years, all the other boards/forums all promote good breeding practices, people that are breeding without health tests/random breeding of their pet / x breeding for no particular reason etc are frowned upon. and yet if anyone disputes such type of breeding on this forum the topic tends to get closed? I am a little confused why this happens. IMO if just one person is pursuaded not to breed because of not health testing/breeding a pet/x breeding for the sake of x breeding then I feel its a good thing.

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i agree but what i can't get my head round is how many on here condemn people for breeding crosses or pedigree , questioning why and then coo over the puppy pics!!!
Totally agree. I cannot condone the breeding of cross breeds or pedigrees without the appropriate care and attention to the health, temperament and structure of the dogs to be bred.

If you can prove to me that your dog (and the other dog to be bred for that matter) is free from virtually *ALL* genetic diseases and ailments common to the breeds, fit for purpose (be it working venues, show, or companion and if companion should pass TDI and CGC minimum), and has the temperament of a SAINT. Be it Puggle or Schnoodle, Dobermann or Beagle...be my guest. But to be honest, this is the ONLY time dogs should be bred.

When someone comes on here asking for help, I'm all ears. I prefer to mention what mistakes they're making in the process, as I am free to air my opinion, and I do want people to learn from their mistakes. As of late, I prefer to be kinder in my approach though. Too many times have new users run away because they are torrented with none to helpful remarks given by people who are so righteous as to condemn, but not so righteous as to offer help or advice.

As for cooing at puppies...please, I have yet to meet a puppy that I haven't coo'd over. I've felt pity for their circumstances, I've felt that whoever bred said puppy should be punished or fined for the abuse they've inflicted, but puppies, all puppies, are cute to someone.

Now, as for the "Rescue by Country" debacle. I've lived in Canada for 1.5 years, I've lived in the USA for going on 16.5 years and I've lived in the UK for 3.5 years. I'm 21 years old and during each of my stays in each country, I've been involved in rescue. This has given me a broad spectrum for comparision. For instance, out here in the UK I have to work twice as hard as there are far too many dogs needing rescue or shelter assistance in regards to the amount of kennels or foster homes available. DH hates me everytime I send him a text saying.."Surprise...don't worry, its only until...". I am constantly advertising and perusing applications for new foster homes. We are in such short supply!

In the USA and Canada, I noticed more "strays", but also we had more facilities to accomodate those strays. We were amply prepared with foster homes and kennel space available constantly. I have worked for small time humane society shelters and the bigger metropolitan shelters too. We did have some dogs that were difficult to rehome or rehabilitate, but the ones who were deemed "permanent residents" were slapped with that label for a reason. Take "Anya", the 3 legged yorkie x Bulldog...that's right..bulldog. She was probably nearing 15 when she was surrendered to us. She stayed as the "office mascot" for the last 4 years of her life. The Office Manager brought her home every night to monitor her respiratory conditions.

There's a problem in all three countries. You have to understand though, there's closing on 70 million in the UK now! And we're only the size of Florida. Its hardly fair to compare the UK to Canada or the USA. Our population is highly condensed, houses/property sizes are incredibly small but expensive.

Anywho, that's my take.
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