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Old 21-11-2009, 12:03 AM
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Took Maisie out for a 10-15 minute leg stretch today and we met a lady with two bearded collies. One was an old girl of nine called Maisie! and the other was a 15 week old pup.

I was chatting to her and admittedly off my guard when (I didn't see) there was a commotion and I turned round to see Maisie attacking the 15 week pup.

She had her pinned to the ground and had her jaws around the pup's neck and was shaking it like some sort of toy.

I was so shocked. I got Maisie off this pup and apologised profusely to the owner. I explained that she had seven puppies at the moment but I'd not seen that behaviour in her before, albeit I'd only had Maisie since late sept?early Oct.

We share the same vet and the pup was taken to be checked there straight away.

The vet contacted me to assure me that all was well.

Luckily Maisie hadn't appeared to have done any damage, not even a puncture wound, but it looked horrific at the time. As if she wanted to kill it.

I thought afterwards that maybe the dog had, in all innocence, sniffed round her behind and that had caused Maisie to attack it?

Am I being naive in assuming that Maisie reacted like this to a dog because she has pups or could it be that I need to keep a closer eye on her from now on with dog association?

Your thoughts and views on lactating dogs and how they react to other dogs would be appreciated!

Needless to say, I will keep Maisie on a much tighter lead for the time being.
have just read this post about Maisie and the pup.
My girl did that to our cat when she was in season and I put it down to hormones.
My girl can be a bit funny with other dogs when she is on the lead but off it she is fine with other dogs, infact even a bit of a coward at times.
The shaking does look awfull as they are big dogs but my cat was not hurt when she didi it to him just a bit frightned afterwards but but dont be worried that she is going to be like that with all dogs.
She may also have been just a bit worried at having left her pups at home and as the pup may have sniffed her behind , it might just have irritated her a bit.
she looks like a great mum and the oups are lovley.

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Old 21-11-2009, 03:33 PM
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Re: Help!

Thanks everyone for your help with this.

Here are some more pix!

Maisie continues to be well and the pups are all getting fatter. Especially Yellow, for him, the bar is always open!!
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Old 21-11-2009, 09:34 PM
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Really lovely pictures, they are growing nicely
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Old 21-11-2009, 10:29 PM
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Old 22-11-2009, 10:06 AM
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Hi everybody,

Maisie is doing quite a bit of digging in the whelp box exactly as they do when they are in labour and I wondered whether this was normal for them to do this after they have had pups?

Doesn't say anything about it in botb. She still has quite a heavy discharge and wondered if that was connected?

Does anyone have experience of this behaviour?
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Old 22-11-2009, 10:29 AM
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I think you should not be taking her out away from the pups yet, for one thing she may pick someone thing up on the pavement or from other dogs, and bring it home to the pups who are vunerable imnunity wise at the moment, and also because it can stress her out too much, if she was hightly stressed while on the walk, because she had been made to leave her pups unattended, this may have triggered the unusual intensity of her attack on the pup, which she may have normally just give a good telling off to for the same offense(what ever it did), the other problem is she may get too used to being away from the pups and stop feeding them, it is still too early IMO for them to stop feeding from her at the moment. edited to add the digging may be a sign of stress after leaving her pups for so long, and until her mind is completely settled this isnt going to happen again she may show some signs, like the digging, also my bitch bled for a couple of weeks after having the pups naturally, I took her to the vet who advised me if it hadnt stopped in a week he would give AB's the bleeding did actually stop a few days after this. her 2nd litter was born by C Section, she only had a little discharge afterwards, which I presumed was the after effects of being cut, this cleared up after a week or so and was not heavy, if she continues to have discharge it may be worth mentioning it to the vet and AB's may be require, this could also be adding to the digging.

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Old 23-11-2009, 08:30 AM
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Thanks Moboyd for your help.

Can I just reiterate that Maisie wasn't coerced or forced to go on a walk. There is a recreation ground immediately adjacent to my property so as I said we could have been back in the house within minutes. Maisie was very keen to go on a leg stretch and the botb says 10-15 minutes a day is ideal.

I wasn't paying attention to Maisie at the time we met the puppy as I was talking to the owner. It is entirely my fault that the attack happened because of my ignorance. I am just so pleased that the pup wasn't hurt though it looked serious. I've no idea what the pup had done to make Maisie so cross with it but I can only assume that it had gone round the back of her.

Leashed, Maisie lived with Airedales and Labradors previously and when out on her walks with me if we encountered other dogs she was friendly and happy to say hello to them.

Also, I have three other dogs all entirely different from her. So I don't think Maisie is fazed by other dog types.

As you have described, Maisie does want to be outside of the whelping room if the puppies are asleep! Is that Airedales or all dogs I wonder?

Maisie has just finished a course of ABs and her discharge appears a bit lighter today.

Another question answered if anybody can please!
How much for a crossbreed? I don't want to undersell them but at the same time they will all need a forever home.
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Old 26-11-2009, 05:47 PM
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Maisie is doing great and here are some more pix of her growing family!


Does anyone have any news on chihuahua? I was looking forward to her puppy pix!
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Old 26-11-2009, 06:15 PM
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Thanks Moboyd for your help.

Another question answered if anybody can please!
How much for a crossbreed? I don't want to undersell them but at the same time they will all need a forever home.
well we have on a fairly reg basis crossbreed pups adopted out at work and they all go for £100 that includes being flea treated wormed vacs and microchip just to give a guidline.

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Old 29-11-2009, 10:23 AM
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Re: Help!

My lovely pups are day 14 today but they still haven't opened their eyes.
The botb says 10-14 days but that is just an average.

In people's experience, when do pups open their eyes?

They are all attempting to walk around the whelping box!

Will see such a change in them in the next week.

The biggest is now weighing in at 54oz.

Maisie continues to do well and looks really healthy.
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