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Old 23-05-2008, 11:59 AM
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Re: Do You Think There Is Need For 'New' Breeds?

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No,we have over 200 breeds breeds registered with the KC,everyone of which has been bred for a purpose,surely there is a breed to suit everyone without creating new ones.
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Old 25-05-2008, 07:26 AM
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Re: Do You Think There Is Need For 'New' Breeds?

I would think that there is every need for new dog breeds. Times change and dogs have to change with them. Most of todays dogs were new breeds at one time - bred to fill a particular need of the day. As an example lets use the Beagle which has been bred through the years to be a hunting dog - and a good one at that. Beagles are lovely dogs and can be great pets in themselves but their nature requires more time and space than most people can devote to them nowadays. By cross breeding with a more homely dog you could try to start a line that would be more in tune with the lifestyles of the modern world. It seems that after all the centuries of developing new dogs to say that we have got all we need and should stop is an untenable stance to take.
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Re: Do You Think There Is Need For 'New' Breeds?

I dont see that we need any more either. The world is full of unwanted dogs now so why make more?? The start off as a fad and then people move on to the 'next big thing' and out goes little Fifi

DDB have only just been recognised which is great and there are some established breeds that should be recognised too but as for ya Jugs and Cockerpoos and Labradoodles - no thanks
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Re: Do You Think There Is Need For 'New' Breeds?

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I would think that there is every need for new dog breeds. Times change and dogs have to change with them. Most of todays dogs were new breeds at one time - bred to fill a particular need of the day. As an example lets use the Beagle which has been bred through the years to be a hunting dog - and a good one at that. Beagles are lovely dogs and can be great pets in themselves but their nature requires more time and space than most people can devote to them nowadays. By cross breeding with a more homely dog you could try to start a line that would be more in tune with the lifestyles of the modern world. It seems that after all the centuries of developing new dogs to say that we have got all we need and should stop is an untenable stance to take.
And this is where research of a particular breed should enter into it,
Before buying any breed you need to research that particular breeds needs and requirements.
With cross breeding you don't know what breed traits the offspring will follow and there maybe temprement issues.
A new breed takes years to establish a "type" what happens to all those pups that are not "type"?
Rescues are struggling,full to bursting point,do we really need to be breeding crossbreeds and putting more strain on them?
Surely when there are over 200 breeds already in the UK there is a breed out there for everyone,without the need to create more and putting more dogs in already overstreched rescues.
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Old 25-05-2008, 08:14 AM
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Re: Do You Think There Is Need For 'New' Breeds?

I understand what you are saying but my point is about evolution. Why should we still be breeding dogs to hunt boar etc when their day has passed? New breeds should naturally replace them - Darwinian or what? - and as for the establishing of lines you have to start somewhere. Labradoodles are going through this at the moment. The ones that don't make "type" will find a home with the ones that don't make "breed standard" at present. I fully agree that thought is required before anything but I cannot agree with stopping.
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I understand what you are saying but my point is about evolution. Why should we still be breeding dogs to hunt boar etc when their day has passed? New breeds should naturally replace them - Darwinian or what? - and as for the establishing of lines you have to start somewhere. Labradoodles are going through this at the moment. The ones that don't make "type" will find a home with the ones that don't make "breed standard" at present. I fully agree that thought is required before anything but I cannot agree with stopping.
We are not tallking about a few puppies though to create a new breed,it would take hundreds possibly thousands,Could homes be found for all those,or would it be acceptable to cull them?
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I understand what you are saying but my point is about evolution. Why should we still be breeding dogs to hunt boar etc when their day has passed? New breeds should naturally replace them - Darwinian or what? - and as for the establishing of lines you have to start somewhere. Labradoodles are going through this at the moment. The ones that don't make "type" will find a home with the ones that don't make "breed standard" at present. I fully agree that thought is required before anything but I cannot agree with stopping.
We just DON'T need so called Designer dogs there are enough breeds out there already and new ones which are 'old' breeds waiting to go on the KC register to register the likes of labradoodles would just make a mockery out of it - and to be truthful the day they have classes for Labradoodles and cockapoos at Crufts will be the day that I will hang up my showing jacket, you can go down the pound and get these 'mongrels' without people breeding them and folks paying a lot of money to get one!!!
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Re: Do You Think There Is Need For 'New' Breeds?

I am allergic to animal fur, whether it be dog, cat or horse, and i think the idea of a labradoodle that allows people with allegies to own a medium sized dog a good thing, ( am sorry if i appear naieve over why this dog was bred), and whilst researching huskys i found that their fur is hypoallegenic too, so perfect for me, and its true, i have no wheezing, snuffles or itching, but i have got husky x malamutes. best of both breeds im hoping, and i never realised how many disagree with crossing these two breeds, but i did not get them as designer dogs, but as dogs that i can fuss and play with with the rest of my family.
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I am allergic to animal fur, whether it be dog, cat or horse, and i think the idea of a labradoodle that allows people with allegies to own a medium sized dog a good thing, ( am sorry if i appear naieve over why this dog was bred), and whilst researching huskys i found that their fur is hypoallegenic too, so perfect for me, and its true, i have no wheezing, snuffles or itching, but i have got husky x malamutes. best of both breeds im hoping, and i never realised how many disagree with crossing these two breeds, but i did not get them as designer dogs, but as dogs that i can fuss and play with with the rest of my family.
I have had some husky x mals in for grooming and when they are booked in I count all my fingers and facial features before I start the ones that are in this area come mainly from a puppy farm and their temperament is awful!!!! Yes they look cute as pups BUT I got to the stage where I started to turn them away. These pups also come with a pedigree and their mis-informed owners think it is good to do the cross to bring in new blood to the breed
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Re: Do You Think There Is Need For 'New' Breeds?

With respect that is entirely the attitude that I am arguing against. A Labradoodle today is no more or less a mongrel than the first Labrador or any other dog. As to the showing aspect I wonder if the breed standard has changed over the years? If it has then that is itself a limited form of evolution so why not more? If it has not then you are doomed if you ever find the perfect example. With regard to the cost of these dogs people are able to make their own minds up as to what they want, why they want it and how much they will pay. Show standard KC dogs are not cheap anyway. I want people to have pets that suit their circumstances and if that means using new breeds then that is fine by me. Look forwards not back.
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