Originally Posted by Elmo the Bear

So we'll continue to disagree as I cannot believe that all KC breeds have a purpose and that anything more than a minority that do, that purpose is still relevant today.

Originally Posted by Changes

There is no way that the sheep would be kept safe without the dogs, they will find abandoned lambs in the snow, find ewes that are in trouble during lambing, fetch the sheep from a mountain in the winter so that they are all checked and fed, find lost or ill sheep that are hidden in the bracken, find sheep that are stuck in ditches or bogs, will find lambs that are fading due to a ewe having mastitis, that is just the tip of the iceburg, the sheep on the mountains are checked twice a day throughout the winter months each individual check would take three or four days to carry out without the dogs -

The best shepherd I ever worked with was Ben he saved more lambs and sheep than any other dog I have ever met, he would stand on his back legs in snow drifts that would have covered him and bark until we came - there at his feet would be a lamb that was fading and facing certain death had he not found it, there is no way any of us would have reached that lamb in time to save it, we possibly wouldn't have ever found it - (by the way I carried that lamb off the mountain in my coat and kept it warm all the way back to the lower farm where I bottle fed it every two hours until it was strong again)

Originally Posted by Natik

i dont understand...so if u breed an cross u would have no aim whatsoever only than create a random companion?

Originally Posted by comfortcreature

Sorry that I got the wrong impression Natik.

Missing a few pages, I came into this thread on the above comment, which was then followed by posts which supported the breeding of purpose bred dogs.

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Originally Posted by comfortcreature

What is wrong with that aim? I consider a well bred companion, bred for health, bred for temperament (not necessarily pure) the ultimate aim.

Originally Posted by Natik

i dont understand...so if u breed an cross u would have no aim whatsoever only than create a random companion?

Originally Posted by comfortcreature

What is wrong with that aim? I consider a well bred companion, bred for health, bred for temperament (not necessarily pure) the ultimate aim. Working is another aim, but not a superior one.

Originally Posted by Elmo the Bear

I've put up many posts as to the aim, all have been dismissed so you'll pardon me if I don't open myself up to another onslaught. My point was simply that many/most KC registered breeds have no aim, prupose etc yet it seems to be an accepted to view that to breed without purpose or aim is OK... yet if I say.. "well I kind of like standard poodles but I reckon the breeders have made a bit of a hash of the temperment... and I really like the temperment of a golden retriever but can't live with the hari everywhere... so....."

the result?... outrage !!

Originally Posted by Natik

so are u not answering the question then becasue others have dismissed them in the past? u can pm me if u like though? i am really interested....
i find it speaks only against ur motivations then if u are reluctant to answer...
if u believe in something and ur absolutely sure ur doing it for the right reasons then others shouldnt bother u too much???

they have an aim though.... purebred breeders... u just dont like their aims but thats ur personal opinion

Originally Posted by Natik

but temperament is an aim ... i didnt know it would be associated with companionship

what type of temperament exactly do the breeders aiming at the labradoodle? the pure temperamnt of the labrador with the looks of an poodle?